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There is basically no country in the world who cares more about civilian deaths than the US. Get out of your bubble

watwut 7mo ago
First, USA literally officially does not care about it right now. That is the stated official politics. Hegseth, Vance and Trump are proud and open about it. Hegseth was referring to literally this war when he was saying they will not care about things like civilian deaths. Second, the number of civilians deaths caused by USA was going up due to drones usage. That is prior Trump, in administrations that kind of cared at least a little. And that was at the time when media sorta kinda cared. Nowdays, media do not care at all. Third, Israel is not just ok with genocide, but wants it to happen. And USA is one of the leading countries in the project of helping them. I am not singling out America here, it is not JUST America. But America is very consistent in that.
- jameshilliard 7mo ago
  > First, USA literally officially does not care about it right now. That is the stated official politics. All indications so far indicate the US military is in fact still trying to minimize civilian casualties regardless of the statements being made by some of the individuals in the leadership. > Hegseth, Vance and Trump are proud and open about it. Hegseth was referring to literally this war when he was saying they will not care about things like civilian deaths. I wouldn't take the statements being made by these 3 individuals as fact as they are known to lie constantly for various(usually dumb) reasons.
  - watwut 7mo ago
    The decision to use cheap bombing or an expensive one will go from the top. And the military already shown they will obey unlawful orders. They also got rid of leaders who were not aligned with Trump on this point. Yes these three lie a lot. They are also setting the rules for military. They also already shown in actions they dont value evwn American lives much. They had in speeches toward military telling them to be violent and unrestrained. They are leaders. If they lie, military will eventually lie. If they dont care, military wont care.
    - jameshilliard 7mo ago
      > The decision to use cheap bombing or an expensive one will go from the top. I don't see any indications that unguided munitions are being used if that's what you're referring to. The advantages in terms of accuracy from precision guided munitions tends to largely eliminate any cost advantages unguided munitions may theoretically have. Regardless of the statements being made by some of the leadership the actual targeting appears to be done in a way that tries to avoid civilian casualties.
Tadpole9181 7mo ago
Trump went on TV and openly stated we just have to accept the death of Americans. "Oh well, that's what happens." As if this conflict is an act of God. You think he - a raging, narcissistic, racist, pedophile rapist - gives a single fuck about Iranian citizens? You think He Seth - an alcoholic, "lethalmaxxing", Tate bro with nazi tattoos - gives a single fuck about Iranian citizens?
sjducb 7mo ago
Lots of countries in the EU care more about civilian deaths than the US. However the US cares a lot more than Russia.
mlsu 7mo ago
Even if you take the current US leadership at their word, they do not. They've all but said that war crimes are on the table here. America, regardless of what so-called international institutions say, is unleashing the most lethal and precise air power campaign in history. B-2s, fighters, drones, missiles, and of course classified effects. All on our terms with maximum authorities. No stupid rules of engagement, no nation-building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars. We fight to win, and we don't waste time or lives. Literally, on day 1, they bombed an elementary school and killed dozens of little girls. When you are constantly hearing the words 'precise', 'controlled', 'surgical' you absolutely must wipe the propaganda off of your ears. A protracted aerial bombing campaign will never, ever, be precise and surgical. Doesn't matter how good the tech is. One only needs to look at Gaza to see what is planned for Iran.
afiori 7mo ago
The us is indeed very interested in how many innocents its enemies kill. 70 years of bombing random coutries an causing caos and military dictatorships show that is might not apply inward.

First, USA literally officially does not care about it right now. That is the stated official politics. Hegseth, Vance and Trump are proud and open about it. Hegseth was referring to literally this war when he was saying they will not care about things like civilian deaths. Second, the number of civilians deaths caused by USA was going up due to drones usage. That is prior Trump, in administrations that kind of cared at least a little. And that was at the time when media sorta kinda cared. Nowdays, media do not care at all. Third, Israel is not just ok with genocide, but wants it to happen. And USA is one of the leading countries in the project of helping them. I am not singling out America here, it is not JUST America. But America is very consistent in that.

jameshilliard 7mo ago
> First, USA literally officially does not care about it right now. That is the stated official politics. All indications so far indicate the US military is in fact still trying to minimize civilian casualties regardless of the statements being made by some of the individuals in the leadership. > Hegseth, Vance and Trump are proud and open about it. Hegseth was referring to literally this war when he was saying they will not care about things like civilian deaths. I wouldn't take the statements being made by these 3 individuals as fact as they are known to lie constantly for various(usually dumb) reasons.
- watwut 7mo ago
  The decision to use cheap bombing or an expensive one will go from the top. And the military already shown they will obey unlawful orders. They also got rid of leaders who were not aligned with Trump on this point. Yes these three lie a lot. They are also setting the rules for military. They also already shown in actions they dont value evwn American lives much. They had in speeches toward military telling them to be violent and unrestrained. They are leaders. If they lie, military will eventually lie. If they dont care, military wont care.
  - jameshilliard 7mo ago
    > The decision to use cheap bombing or an expensive one will go from the top. I don't see any indications that unguided munitions are being used if that's what you're referring to. The advantages in terms of accuracy from precision guided munitions tends to largely eliminate any cost advantages unguided munitions may theoretically have. Regardless of the statements being made by some of the leadership the actual targeting appears to be done in a way that tries to avoid civilian casualties.

Tadpole9181 7mo ago

Trump went on TV and openly stated we just have to accept the death of Americans. "Oh well, that's what happens." As if this conflict is an act of God. You think he - a raging, narcissistic, racist, pedophile rapist - gives a single fuck about Iranian citizens? You think He Seth - an alcoholic, "lethalmaxxing", Tate bro with nazi tattoos - gives a single fuck about Iranian citizens?

sjducb 7mo ago

Lots of countries in the EU care more about civilian deaths than the US. However the US cares a lot more than Russia.

mlsu 7mo ago

Even if you take the current US leadership at their word, they do not. They've all but said that war crimes are on the table here. America, regardless of what so-called international institutions say, is unleashing the most lethal and precise air power campaign in history. B-2s, fighters, drones, missiles, and of course classified effects. All on our terms with maximum authorities. No stupid rules of engagement, no nation-building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars. We fight to win, and we don't waste time or lives. Literally, on day 1, they bombed an elementary school and killed dozens of little girls. When you are constantly hearing the words 'precise', 'controlled', 'surgical' you absolutely must wipe the propaganda off of your ears. A protracted aerial bombing campaign will never, ever, be precise and surgical. Doesn't matter how good the tech is. One only needs to look at Gaza to see what is planned for Iran.

afiori 7mo ago

The us is indeed very interested in how many innocents its enemies kill. 70 years of bombing random coutries an causing caos and military dictatorships show that is might not apply inward.