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Except that Google would then get the profits It's not about Google, it's about OP's personal values

jstanley 7mo ago
But if you think buying on the secondhand market doesn't impact the market, why do you think buying from the OEM does? It's one phone's worth of demand either way.
- akimbostrawman 7mo ago
  Nobody is buying pixels specifically to resells them. If anything there fast reduction in value makes them less attractive. First hand = money goes directly to Google including margin Second hand = money only goes towards a private person, 0$ for google. At best it prevents usable phones being thrown into landfill.
  - jstanley 7mo ago
    > If anything there fast reduction in value makes them less attractive. Right. And if you buy a secondhand one you are increasing their value on the secondhand market. Reducing the depreciation increases the value of the brand new phone.
    - handedness 7mo ago
      That was addressed further up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47243976 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47243976
      - jstanley 7mo ago
        No it wasn't. That's the exact point I'm refuting. If you don't think voting with your wallet works, then that is a position you can take. But you can't think it works when buying from the OEM but doesn't work when buying on the secondary market.
        handedness 7mo ago
        Sure you can, because you're talking about different inputs in your supply and demand scenario. You're also talking about different opportunity costs for the OEM, different incentives, and different outcomes. You're also assuming the person selling their Pixel is buying another Pixel, and not switching to a device made by a different OEM. And ultimately, if buying it on the secondary market in such small numbers that it doesn't move the market, then it adequately addresses the concern. Edit: I'm not saying there's zero effect of it, but it's likely statistically insignificant.

But if you think buying on the secondhand market doesn't impact the market, why do you think buying from the OEM does? It's one phone's worth of demand either way.

akimbostrawman 7mo ago
Nobody is buying pixels specifically to resells them. If anything there fast reduction in value makes them less attractive. First hand = money goes directly to Google including margin Second hand = money only goes towards a private person, 0$ for google. At best it prevents usable phones being thrown into landfill.
- jstanley 7mo ago
  > If anything there fast reduction in value makes them less attractive. Right. And if you buy a secondhand one you are increasing their value on the secondhand market. Reducing the depreciation increases the value of the brand new phone.
  - handedness 7mo ago
    That was addressed further up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47243976 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47243976
    - jstanley 7mo ago
      No it wasn't. That's the exact point I'm refuting. If you don't think voting with your wallet works, then that is a position you can take. But you can't think it works when buying from the OEM but doesn't work when buying on the secondary market.
      - handedness 7mo ago
        Sure you can, because you're talking about different inputs in your supply and demand scenario. You're also talking about different opportunity costs for the OEM, different incentives, and different outcomes. You're also assuming the person selling their Pixel is buying another Pixel, and not switching to a device made by a different OEM. And ultimately, if buying it on the secondary market in such small numbers that it doesn't move the market, then it adequately addresses the concern. Edit: I'm not saying there's zero effect of it, but it's likely statistically insignificant.