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And how many hundreds of millions has capitalism killed? Considering American involved Wars: American Civil War, Vietnam War, First Gulf War, Iraq War, World W

by suzdude 7mo ago

And how many hundreds of millions has capitalism killed? Considering American involved Wars: American Civil War, Vietnam War, First Gulf War, Iraq War, World War 2 Considering how many millions have died due to unrestrained capitalism destroying ecosystem, contaminating air, water, soil? Please do not pretend that capitalism does not promote nor allow the deaths of those who it is profitable to allow to die.

kelseyfrog 7mo ago
Every death under socialism is attributed to socialism. Every death under capitalism is attributed to individual failing or inevitability. Please follow the rules.
- analognoise 7mo ago
  It’s a very convenient set of rules, that allow us to place all the deaths into another column in our tabulation.
  - busterarm 7mo ago
    Socialism's high death toll is the _direct_ result of the _implementation_ of socialist policies. No other form of governance shares this honor.
    - tombert 7mo ago
      Umm, I would argue that Fascism shares that honor actually.
      - busterarm 7mo ago
        You mean the National Socialist party? Heh, no I don't think that Nazis were Socialists, but NSDAP certainly used socialist rhetoric to broaden the appeal of their party. In fact in Mein Kampf, Hitler makes the argument that Marxists merely hijacked Socialism and corrupted it. In any case, I don't want to entertain horseshit. It turns out that if a significant part of your political ideology is about elevating one group of people at the expense of another, mass starvation and mass murder is an inevitable consequence. The whole point about spotlighting catastrophically bad ideas is that hopefully nobody gets the stupid idea to try that shit again. Except here we are.
        analognoise 7mo ago
        Can you explain what “elevating one group of people at the expense of another” is, in the context of socialism? I don’t see the connection. Are you saying the current fascist operating mode of Trump is the dumb shit we’re trying again (here, “we” being “humanity”), or something else? Just trying to clarify, my bad if it’s poor reading on my part; I was just confused at the line being drawn.

by suzdude 7mo ago

kelseyfrog 7mo ago

Every death under socialism is attributed to socialism. Every death under capitalism is attributed to individual failing or inevitability. Please follow the rules.

analognoise 7mo ago
It’s a very convenient set of rules, that allow us to place all the deaths into another column in our tabulation.
- busterarm 7mo ago
  Socialism's high death toll is the _direct_ result of the _implementation_ of socialist policies. No other form of governance shares this honor.
  - tombert 7mo ago
    Umm, I would argue that Fascism shares that honor actually.
    - busterarm 7mo ago
      You mean the National Socialist party? Heh, no I don't think that Nazis were Socialists, but NSDAP certainly used socialist rhetoric to broaden the appeal of their party. In fact in Mein Kampf, Hitler makes the argument that Marxists merely hijacked Socialism and corrupted it. In any case, I don't want to entertain horseshit. It turns out that if a significant part of your political ideology is about elevating one group of people at the expense of another, mass starvation and mass murder is an inevitable consequence. The whole point about spotlighting catastrophically bad ideas is that hopefully nobody gets the stupid idea to try that shit again. Except here we are.
      - analognoise 7mo ago
        Can you explain what “elevating one group of people at the expense of another” is, in the context of socialism? I don’t see the connection. Are you saying the current fascist operating mode of Trump is the dumb shit we’re trying again (here, “we” being “humanity”), or something else? Just trying to clarify, my bad if it’s poor reading on my part; I was just confused at the line being drawn.