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These data free claims don’t ever honestly talk about how they simply made driving so inefficient and bad on purpose so that the other, slower modes, don’t look

These data free claims don’t ever honestly talk about how they simply made driving so inefficient and bad on purpose so that the other, slower modes, don’t look as bad. Increasing travel times and inconvenience isn’t a win and safetyism is irrational. If you can’t make fast driving safer you haven’t achieved anything really. And as for vision zero - you’ll never get perfect safety and it isn’t worth the tradeoffs.

loloquwowndueo 8mo ago
Never takes long for the car-centric “anything that inconveniences my driving sucks” point of view to appear.
paulryanrogers 8mo ago
> Increasing travel times and inconvenience isn’t a win and safetyism is irrational. By very narrow definitions of win. Perhaps more time in transit is worth fewer deaths and less pollution. (I rode a bike daily and year round in northern Ohio for 8y.) > If you can’t make fast driving safer you haven’t achieved anything really. By what measure of achievement? Zero traffic deaths in a heavily populated city is quite an accomplishment IMO. But I'm not a racecar driver so maybe I'm unqualified to judge.
enaaem 8mo ago
Can you tell us about your experience driving in Helsinki?
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kerkeslager 8mo ago
And speediots' data free claims don't ever honestly talk about how they're totally okay with letting thousands of people die every year so they can save a few seconds that they're just going to waste posting their self-centered opinions to Hacker News. There's no ethical justification for speeding--you're just okay with being unethical if it allows you to not have to learn patience.
tim333 8mo ago
In London they've deliberately made driving more of a pain doing thing like removing parking and reducing lanes with the idea of making it better for walking and cycling. Most people seem ok with the trade off. I don't know about travel times and convenience. The last couple of years I've mostly switched to ebike and it's faster than anything in central London. The same journey of say 2 miles can take 10 mins by ebike, 15 taxi, 30 tube/bus, 20-40 private car driving in circles trying to park.

loloquwowndueo 8mo ago

Never takes long for the car-centric “anything that inconveniences my driving sucks” point of view to appear.

paulryanrogers 8mo ago

> Increasing travel times and inconvenience isn’t a win and safetyism is irrational. By very narrow definitions of win. Perhaps more time in transit is worth fewer deaths and less pollution. (I rode a bike daily and year round in northern Ohio for 8y.) > If you can’t make fast driving safer you haven’t achieved anything really. By what measure of achievement? Zero traffic deaths in a heavily populated city is quite an accomplishment IMO. But I'm not a racecar driver so maybe I'm unqualified to judge.

enaaem 8mo ago

Can you tell us about your experience driving in Helsinki?

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kerkeslager 8mo ago

And speediots' data free claims don't ever honestly talk about how they're totally okay with letting thousands of people die every year so they can save a few seconds that they're just going to waste posting their self-centered opinions to Hacker News. There's no ethical justification for speeding--you're just okay with being unethical if it allows you to not have to learn patience.

tim333 8mo ago

In London they've deliberately made driving more of a pain doing thing like removing parking and reducing lanes with the idea of making it better for walking and cycling. Most people seem ok with the trade off. I don't know about travel times and convenience. The last couple of years I've mostly switched to ebike and it's faster than anything in central London. The same journey of say 2 miles can take 10 mins by ebike, 15 taxi, 30 tube/bus, 20-40 private car driving in circles trying to park.