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blaming open ai emps is like blaming current germans for ww2. that sort of collective moral guilt, sometimes even inherited, is simply unfair and stupid. i get

blaming open ai emps is like blaming current germans for ww2. that sort of collective moral guilt, sometimes even inherited, is simply unfair and stupid. i get that people want to undermine companies' support structure and that their dream is probably to guilt shame open ai's employees into quitting. but it feels like people trying to score points for their own agenda, claim the moral high ground, and label entire groups of people with some sort of guilt by association. its fake. its a game. and they know it.

OJFord 7mo ago
I don't like the analogy anyway, but why 'current Germans'? Surely 'pre-enrolled rank and file of the contemporary military' would be more apt?
- ImPostingOnHN 7mo ago
  "IBM employee who built the software which effectuated the holocaust while knowing that was what it was being used for" is probably more apt.
rcoder 7mo ago
But we’re not taking about a 80-year gap here (“blaming modern Germans”); we’re talking about people who are in the global top 5% of income and prestige choosing _today_ to contribute to these organizations. If you believe that your labor is worth something — which I’m pretty sure this crowd does — by working for a given firm, you’re voting with the value of your time in support of what your employer does. Which, to be clear, is 100% your choice! I’m not going to accuse anyone of being a “bad person” because they decide that stable, high-paying employment is more important than taking a particular ethical (or political) stand at work. But it _is_ a choice that you make every day by showing up for work. In my view this is even more relevant for tech workers who receive equity. If you’re a shareholder in addition to being an employee, you’re now voting _twice_ in favor of what management is doing, and benefitting directly from both pay and ownership.
- globalnode 7mo ago
  fair point, and i do agree with you. i guess ive seen too many politicians recently with agenda's doing the moral high ground thing and im beginning to see that sort of conduct everywhere. thanks for your reasoned comment. it seems to be a growing problem or maybe im just more aware of it

OJFord 7mo ago

I don't like the analogy anyway, but why 'current Germans'? Surely 'pre-enrolled rank and file of the contemporary military' would be more apt?

ImPostingOnHN 7mo ago
"IBM employee who built the software which effectuated the holocaust while knowing that was what it was being used for" is probably more apt.

rcoder 7mo ago

But we’re not taking about a 80-year gap here (“blaming modern Germans”); we’re talking about people who are in the global top 5% of income and prestige choosing _today_ to contribute to these organizations. If you believe that your labor is worth something — which I’m pretty sure this crowd does — by working for a given firm, you’re voting with the value of your time in support of what your employer does. Which, to be clear, is 100% your choice! I’m not going to accuse anyone of being a “bad person” because they decide that stable, high-paying employment is more important than taking a particular ethical (or political) stand at work. But it _is_ a choice that you make every day by showing up for work. In my view this is even more relevant for tech workers who receive equity. If you’re a shareholder in addition to being an employee, you’re now voting _twice_ in favor of what management is doing, and benefitting directly from both pay and ownership.

globalnode 7mo ago
fair point, and i do agree with you. i guess ive seen too many politicians recently with agenda's doing the moral high ground thing and im beginning to see that sort of conduct everywhere. thanks for your reasoned comment. it seems to be a growing problem or maybe im just more aware of it