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Ah, you should update wikipedia then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED#Lifespan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED#Lifespan

szmarczak 8mo ago
> In 2016, LG Electronics reported an expected lifetime of 100,000 hours 23 years for an older generation OLED seems fine to me, I don't understand the problem here?
- craftkiller 8mo ago
  The US Department of Energy report from the same year reports far lower numbers, which I'd be more inclined to trust since they are impartial / not trying to market a product.
  - szmarczak 8mo ago
    True, but those numbers are from 2016, 10 years ago. For a more apples to apples comparison see [1] [2] [3]. [1] https://youtu.be/H43wnV-v7V0 https://youtu.be/H43wnV-v7V0 [2] https://youtu.be/RbEgQrigiLc https://youtu.be/RbEgQrigiLc [3] https://youtu.be/AZfwHcMLorY https://youtu.be/AZfwHcMLorY In my case, 3205 hours of use: - 428 pixel cleans - 1/3 brightness (my room is pretty dim and I often code during the night) - static control on - pixel shift on - apl low - sub-logo dim on - corner dim on. During the day I am not able to see any burn in. During the night it's unnoticeable unless you're looking for it. And it's only visible on gray backgrounds, unnoticeable during normal use. My phone (Nothing Phone 2) fails to capture it no matter how hard I try (even during the night). The only issue I had was at 2417 hours and it was vertical white stripes like this: [4] but they were completely gone after a manual pixel clean. No issues since. I am never going back, worth every penny I spent. [4] https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabyte/comments/1gyv1db/fo32u2_vertical_linesbands_suddenly_appeared/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabyte/comments/1gyv1db/fo32u2_ve...
    - xienze 8mo ago
      That doesn’t sound very reassuring. 3205 hours, or a little over a year at 8 hours a day. Be generous and call it two years of use. You’re babying it with low brightness, dynamic dimming, etc. etc. and the fact that there’s anything, even if you have to “look for it”, is not a good sign.
      - szmarczak 8mo ago
        I've been having it for 1y 4mo. > You’re babying it with low brightness That's the same brightness I was using on my IPS. And if you watched the videos then you'd know that those people use OLEDs at "almost max brightness" and see no burn in. > dynamic dimming Such features are unnoticeable during normal use and most of them are defaults. > the fact that there’s anything, even if you have to “look for it” Again, this is only noticeable if your room is completely black and you're staring at gray content. To counter your argument, you have a much worse backlight bleeding on IPS, which is very but very visible during normal use. To quote you: "the fact that there's anything, is not a good sign". It's weird how you call OLEDs bad but completely forget about IPS downsides, and I'm not gonna even start on VA. At the current state, OLED wins.
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        craftkiller 8mo ago
        I _have_ watched those videos and they show burn-in after an alarmingly short amount of use. My current IPS monitor has been going strong for the past decade. I expect monitors to last at least that long. Get back to us about your burn-in after 8.6 more years. Adding one more reference, here is a recent post to /r/monitors showing burn-in after 2 years of constant use: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1pf0tmi/here_is_my_oled_monitor_that_has_never_been/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1pf0tmi/here_is_m... And as a personal anecdote, I've experienced burn-in on my pixel 3a after 2 years. When switching to a full-screen solid grey, you could clearly see the bottom button bar with the home/back buttons.

szmarczak 8mo ago

> In 2016, LG Electronics reported an expected lifetime of 100,000 hours 23 years for an older generation OLED seems fine to me, I don't understand the problem here?

craftkiller 8mo ago
The US Department of Energy report from the same year reports far lower numbers, which I'd be more inclined to trust since they are impartial / not trying to market a product.
- szmarczak 8mo ago
  True, but those numbers are from 2016, 10 years ago. For a more apples to apples comparison see [1] [2] [3]. [1] https://youtu.be/H43wnV-v7V0 https://youtu.be/H43wnV-v7V0 [2] https://youtu.be/RbEgQrigiLc https://youtu.be/RbEgQrigiLc [3] https://youtu.be/AZfwHcMLorY https://youtu.be/AZfwHcMLorY In my case, 3205 hours of use: - 428 pixel cleans - 1/3 brightness (my room is pretty dim and I often code during the night) - static control on - pixel shift on - apl low - sub-logo dim on - corner dim on. During the day I am not able to see any burn in. During the night it's unnoticeable unless you're looking for it. And it's only visible on gray backgrounds, unnoticeable during normal use. My phone (Nothing Phone 2) fails to capture it no matter how hard I try (even during the night). The only issue I had was at 2417 hours and it was vertical white stripes like this: [4] but they were completely gone after a manual pixel clean. No issues since. I am never going back, worth every penny I spent. [4] https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabyte/comments/1gyv1db/fo32u2_vertical_linesbands_suddenly_appeared/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabyte/comments/1gyv1db/fo32u2_ve...
  - xienze 8mo ago
    That doesn’t sound very reassuring. 3205 hours, or a little over a year at 8 hours a day. Be generous and call it two years of use. You’re babying it with low brightness, dynamic dimming, etc. etc. and the fact that there’s anything, even if you have to “look for it”, is not a good sign.
    - szmarczak 8mo ago
      I've been having it for 1y 4mo. > You’re babying it with low brightness That's the same brightness I was using on my IPS. And if you watched the videos then you'd know that those people use OLEDs at "almost max brightness" and see no burn in. > dynamic dimming Such features are unnoticeable during normal use and most of them are defaults. > the fact that there’s anything, even if you have to “look for it” Again, this is only noticeable if your room is completely black and you're staring at gray content. To counter your argument, you have a much worse backlight bleeding on IPS, which is very but very visible during normal use. To quote you: "the fact that there's anything, is not a good sign". It's weird how you call OLEDs bad but completely forget about IPS downsides, and I'm not gonna even start on VA. At the current state, OLED wins.
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      - craftkiller 8mo ago
        I _have_ watched those videos and they show burn-in after an alarmingly short amount of use. My current IPS monitor has been going strong for the past decade. I expect monitors to last at least that long. Get back to us about your burn-in after 8.6 more years. Adding one more reference, here is a recent post to /r/monitors showing burn-in after 2 years of constant use: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1pf0tmi/here_is_my_oled_monitor_that_has_never_been/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1pf0tmi/here_is_m... And as a personal anecdote, I've experienced burn-in on my pixel 3a after 2 years. When switching to a full-screen solid grey, you could clearly see the bottom button bar with the home/back buttons.