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I think it is a hard problem to discuss clearly, but it not automatically a deal breaker. What about 175 children vs 30,000 protesters? What about 30,000 protes

I think it is a hard problem to discuss clearly, but it not automatically a deal breaker. What about 175 children vs 30,000 protesters? What about 30,000 protesters a year in perpetuity?

richardfeynman 8mo ago
Exactly, a real moral calculus needs to be made, not a hysterical "But the IRGC said 175 children died." And a real moral calculus involves weighing the value of the deaths caused by removing the IRGC against the deaths caused by the IRGC. My antagonist said I have no moral compass. Of course I care about the death of children. But that doesn't mean I swallow IRGC propaganda wholesale, as they apparently do. The IRGC lies constantly, it has provided no evidence that so many children died, and hasn't brought forth any evidence to indicate the destruction of the school was caused by western munitions as opposed to a failed launch of their own (which we've seen happen.
- an_guy 8mo ago
  US and Israel killed more civilians in war last year than Iran in decades. So by that logic, US and Israeli terrorists must be terminated?
  - richardfeynman 8mo ago
    Well, just in the past two months, iran is thought to have killed more than 30,000 of its own citizens, while the whole civilian death toll in gaza is about 40k or less over more than two years (out of roughly 70k killed), so i'd say you just made that up.
    - incognition 8mo ago
      Demographics: Approximately 70% of the 70k verified fatalities are women and children. International observers, including the OHCHR, have noted that children alone account for roughly 33-44% of the death toll.
      - richardfeynman 8mo ago
        Your information is false and out of date.
        incognition 8mo ago
        You better take it up with Gemini then. This is just a straight fact check.
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        richardfeynman 8mo ago
        This is the latest information on Gaza casualties. As you can see, there's a disproportionate number of fighting age male casualties. https://x.com/GabrielEpsteinX/status/2024527393226936441/photo/1 https://x.com/GabrielEpsteinX/status/2024527393226936441/pho...

I think it is a hard problem to discuss clearly, but it not automatically a deal breaker. What about 175 children vs 30,000 protesters? What about 30,000 protesters a year in perpetuity?

richardfeynman 8mo ago

Exactly, a real moral calculus needs to be made, not a hysterical "But the IRGC said 175 children died." And a real moral calculus involves weighing the value of the deaths caused by removing the IRGC against the deaths caused by the IRGC. My antagonist said I have no moral compass. Of course I care about the death of children. But that doesn't mean I swallow IRGC propaganda wholesale, as they apparently do. The IRGC lies constantly, it has provided no evidence that so many children died, and hasn't brought forth any evidence to indicate the destruction of the school was caused by western munitions as opposed to a failed launch of their own (which we've seen happen.

an_guy 8mo ago
US and Israel killed more civilians in war last year than Iran in decades. So by that logic, US and Israeli terrorists must be terminated?
- richardfeynman 8mo ago
  Well, just in the past two months, iran is thought to have killed more than 30,000 of its own citizens, while the whole civilian death toll in gaza is about 40k or less over more than two years (out of roughly 70k killed), so i'd say you just made that up.
  - incognition 8mo ago
    Demographics: Approximately 70% of the 70k verified fatalities are women and children. International observers, including the OHCHR, have noted that children alone account for roughly 33-44% of the death toll.
    - richardfeynman 8mo ago
      Your information is false and out of date.
      - incognition 8mo ago
        You better take it up with Gemini then. This is just a straight fact check.
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        richardfeynman 8mo ago
        This is the latest information on Gaza casualties. As you can see, there's a disproportionate number of fighting age male casualties. https://x.com/GabrielEpsteinX/status/2024527393226936441/photo/1 https://x.com/GabrielEpsteinX/status/2024527393226936441/pho...