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OK, I don't. I wonder if we could set up some sort of legislative system that could debate this on our behalf and make a reasonable plan that accounts for our d

OK, I don't. I wonder if we could set up some sort of legislative system that could debate this on our behalf and make a reasonable plan that accounts for our differing viewpoints.

hereme888 8mo ago
I've found that if two people sit together and are willing to talk long enough, they'll eventually be able to actually hear each other, and usually they are more in agreement than the media-installed reactions and assumptions we have. Only with a few would we vehemently disagree. I'm talking about reasonable people though, like your calm reply.
- hypeatei 7mo ago
  You completely missed the point: Trump unilaterally started this chaotic war without going to Congress. This isn't a matter of "if we just talk we can be friends" type of situation. He stated a war on his own (after campaigning on the opposite no less) meaning our representatives had no say in this. It's completely unacceptable.
  - hereme888 7mo ago
    I did not miss any points. You are uninformed. Iran was less than a month away from having a viable nuke, and they've been swearing to use it against America and Israel for the past 47 years. In the last set of negotiations, Iran refused to rule out building the nuke. That's the official information, and if you think they're lying, you have no alternative sources of trustworthy information besides terrorist-aligned ideologies. Presidents can take such defensive actions. It's legal.
    - hypeatei 7mo ago
      > Iran was less than a month away from having a viable nuke Oh, I see, you've bought the propaganda that Iran is close to a nuke. That's been the scare tactic for decades. Did you already forget the strike we did on their nuclear facilities months ago that supposedly set them back? There was no justification for this war, the official US position is that we needed to get involved because Israel striked first and Iran was going to retaliate against us. Israel is wagging the dog here since this is likely the last puppet they'll have in office and Iran threatens their power in the ME.
      - cindyllm 7mo ago
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      - hereme888 7mo ago
        Again, you are misinformed. The nuclear capabilities were real. They had secretly moved facilities and those struck by the US were a detriment but didn't hinder development. The attacks were unsuccessful at their primary objective, per all official information. But there's no argument against someone who thinks everything is a conspiracy. You will always come up with a creative argument, however false it may be.
      - hereme888 7mo ago
        Here you go: they were 7-10 days from weapon's grade enrichment. https://x.com/stinchfield1776/status/2029365225426649346 https://x.com/stinchfield1776/status/2029365225426649346 That's the guy who met to negotiate with the Iranians. They admitted it. You won't get clearer evidence than that.
        hypeatei 7mo ago
        Steve Witkoff is a real estate developer who, for some reason, got put into a special envoy for foreign affairs. The fact that you take his word (or really anyone in the executive) at face value says a lot. Many lawmakers were briefed recently and still have no clear motive for this war. Rep. Warren Davidson (R-Ohio) on Monday said the Trump administration has not effectively explained the U.S. military objective in Iran, accusing the White House of giving “multiple definitions.”[0] 0: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5765223-warren-davidson-trump-iran/ https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5765223-warren-davidson-t...
        hereme888 7mo ago
        So people should not believe the guy who was in the meeting because... he's a real estate developer... You will never believe facts as long as you hold to your agenda, and this translates to other areas of your personal life.

OK, I don't. I wonder if we could set up some sort of legislative system that could debate this on our behalf and make a reasonable plan that accounts for our differing viewpoints.

hereme888 8mo ago

I've found that if two people sit together and are willing to talk long enough, they'll eventually be able to actually hear each other, and usually they are more in agreement than the media-installed reactions and assumptions we have. Only with a few would we vehemently disagree. I'm talking about reasonable people though, like your calm reply.

hypeatei 7mo ago
You completely missed the point: Trump unilaterally started this chaotic war without going to Congress. This isn't a matter of "if we just talk we can be friends" type of situation. He stated a war on his own (after campaigning on the opposite no less) meaning our representatives had no say in this. It's completely unacceptable.
- hereme888 7mo ago
  I did not miss any points. You are uninformed. Iran was less than a month away from having a viable nuke, and they've been swearing to use it against America and Israel for the past 47 years. In the last set of negotiations, Iran refused to rule out building the nuke. That's the official information, and if you think they're lying, you have no alternative sources of trustworthy information besides terrorist-aligned ideologies. Presidents can take such defensive actions. It's legal.
  - hypeatei 7mo ago
    > Iran was less than a month away from having a viable nuke Oh, I see, you've bought the propaganda that Iran is close to a nuke. That's been the scare tactic for decades. Did you already forget the strike we did on their nuclear facilities months ago that supposedly set them back? There was no justification for this war, the official US position is that we needed to get involved because Israel striked first and Iran was going to retaliate against us. Israel is wagging the dog here since this is likely the last puppet they'll have in office and Iran threatens their power in the ME.
    - cindyllm 7mo ago
      [dead]
    - hereme888 7mo ago
      Again, you are misinformed. The nuclear capabilities were real. They had secretly moved facilities and those struck by the US were a detriment but didn't hinder development. The attacks were unsuccessful at their primary objective, per all official information. But there's no argument against someone who thinks everything is a conspiracy. You will always come up with a creative argument, however false it may be.
    - hereme888 7mo ago
      Here you go: they were 7-10 days from weapon's grade enrichment. https://x.com/stinchfield1776/status/2029365225426649346 https://x.com/stinchfield1776/status/2029365225426649346 That's the guy who met to negotiate with the Iranians. They admitted it. You won't get clearer evidence than that.
      - hypeatei 7mo ago
        Steve Witkoff is a real estate developer who, for some reason, got put into a special envoy for foreign affairs. The fact that you take his word (or really anyone in the executive) at face value says a lot. Many lawmakers were briefed recently and still have no clear motive for this war. Rep. Warren Davidson (R-Ohio) on Monday said the Trump administration has not effectively explained the U.S. military objective in Iran, accusing the White House of giving “multiple definitions.”[0] 0: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5765223-warren-davidson-trump-iran/ https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5765223-warren-davidson-t...
        hereme888 7mo ago
        So people should not believe the guy who was in the meeting because... he's a real estate developer... You will never believe facts as long as you hold to your agenda, and this translates to other areas of your personal life.