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> Maybe I don't understand journalism but this guy being a reporter, shouldn't he have had an editor reviewing his work before they hit publish? While the jour

> Maybe I don't understand journalism but this guy being a reporter, shouldn't he have had an editor reviewing his work before they hit publish? While the journalist is still responsible for their own actions, I agree with you that this being published in the first place is indicative of a deeper failure akin to - "if a junior dev accidentally deletes your production db on their first day that's on the company itself"

Aurornis 7mo ago
> failure akin to - "if a junior dev accidentally This person was not a junior. He chose to use the AI tools knowing that they hallucinate. The comparisons to an untrained junior are illogical. This person was a long time reporter who knew better.
- newswasboring 7mo ago
  Even a senior dev being able to unilaterally delete your prod entirely should not be possible. But I don't think the intention was to compare with junior devs, its just a popular shorthand for "your process sucks".
  - Aurornis 7mo ago
    > But I don't think the intention was to compare with junior devs Junior was said specifically. A better analogy would be if one of your staff engineers decided to connect OpenClaw to his workspace and it found a way to delete the production DB. The author was an AI reporter. You can’t argue that he didn’t know what he was doing when he made these choices. Any comparisons involved junior devs are just dishonest.
    - newswasboring 7mo ago
      > Junior was said specifically. Yes, but I think you are taking this phrase more literally than its meant to be read.
      - Aurornis 7mo ago
        I don’t think so. Junior was a key designator in the claim and words have meanings. It would have been easier to leave it out if they didn’t intend for it to contribute meaning. I think this is turning into a Motte and Bailey argument where the junior dev story is used to push the argument and then it’s backpedaled out when others identify the fallacy.
    - noboostforyou 7mo ago
      I was using a common "phrase" that highlights individual human error vs systemic failures Since you are stuck on the semantics allow me to rephrase - "if a single developer is able to delete your entire production db, that's an org failure"
      - mikkupikku 7mo ago
        Specifying a junior dev on his first day is a plain deliberate rhetorical ploy to frame systemic blame as more legitimate than individual blame. If not, then why not make it a senior developer? Anybody can fuck something up, but we give special consideration to noobs who make noob mistakes, and that's what is being implicitly appealed to, illegitimately. This journalist wasn't a noob, and using ChatGPT to write his article was an error in judgement but not an actual mistake.
        newswasboring 7mo ago
        The original author clarified and you are still stuck here? Take a step back dude it's not that serious.
        mikkupikku 7mo ago
        "You disagree with me? Whoa dude, you need to relax and touch grass."
        newswasboring 7mo ago
        Things are more nuanced than agreeing and disagreeing. If you can't see that then...
        mikkupikku 7mo ago
        I disagree with you, deal with it. Specifying a junior developer to make the point of blaming systems instead of individuals, to absolve a journalist of individual blame for fabricating quotes, is flat out bullshit and you're wrong to try weaselling it. Inb4 Omg I still can't believe you're disagreeing with me, like yikes dude go outside. Auroiris is right, it's a Motte and Bailey routine. And it's insulting that you're pretending otherwise.

Aurornis 7mo ago

> failure akin to - "if a junior dev accidentally This person was not a junior. He chose to use the AI tools knowing that they hallucinate. The comparisons to an untrained junior are illogical. This person was a long time reporter who knew better.

newswasboring 7mo ago
Even a senior dev being able to unilaterally delete your prod entirely should not be possible. But I don't think the intention was to compare with junior devs, its just a popular shorthand for "your process sucks".
- Aurornis 7mo ago
  > But I don't think the intention was to compare with junior devs Junior was said specifically. A better analogy would be if one of your staff engineers decided to connect OpenClaw to his workspace and it found a way to delete the production DB. The author was an AI reporter. You can’t argue that he didn’t know what he was doing when he made these choices. Any comparisons involved junior devs are just dishonest.
  - newswasboring 7mo ago
    > Junior was said specifically. Yes, but I think you are taking this phrase more literally than its meant to be read.
    - Aurornis 7mo ago
      I don’t think so. Junior was a key designator in the claim and words have meanings. It would have been easier to leave it out if they didn’t intend for it to contribute meaning. I think this is turning into a Motte and Bailey argument where the junior dev story is used to push the argument and then it’s backpedaled out when others identify the fallacy.
  - noboostforyou 7mo ago
    I was using a common "phrase" that highlights individual human error vs systemic failures Since you are stuck on the semantics allow me to rephrase - "if a single developer is able to delete your entire production db, that's an org failure"
    - mikkupikku 7mo ago
      Specifying a junior dev on his first day is a plain deliberate rhetorical ploy to frame systemic blame as more legitimate than individual blame. If not, then why not make it a senior developer? Anybody can fuck something up, but we give special consideration to noobs who make noob mistakes, and that's what is being implicitly appealed to, illegitimately. This journalist wasn't a noob, and using ChatGPT to write his article was an error in judgement but not an actual mistake.
      - newswasboring 7mo ago
        The original author clarified and you are still stuck here? Take a step back dude it's not that serious.
        mikkupikku 7mo ago
        "You disagree with me? Whoa dude, you need to relax and touch grass."
        newswasboring 7mo ago
        Things are more nuanced than agreeing and disagreeing. If you can't see that then...
        mikkupikku 7mo ago
        I disagree with you, deal with it. Specifying a junior developer to make the point of blaming systems instead of individuals, to absolve a journalist of individual blame for fabricating quotes, is flat out bullshit and you're wrong to try weaselling it. Inb4 Omg I still can't believe you're disagreeing with me, like yikes dude go outside. Auroiris is right, it's a Motte and Bailey routine. And it's insulting that you're pretending otherwise.