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The age verification proposal of the EU tries to do that, the government knows you used age verification (and I think the rough number of times you used it), bu
by raron 7mo ago
The age verification proposal of the EU tries to do that, the government knows you used age verification (and I think the rough number of times you used it), but they don't know when or where you used it.
https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/docs/annexes/annex-B/annex-B-zkp/ https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/d...
- raw_anon_1111 7mo agoThe EU passing a law about the internet? What could possibly go wrong?
- jim33442 7mo agoPlease drink verification can to verify that you have verified your cookie preferences
- _heimdall 7mo agoI can't imagine countries with such strict speech laws, for example, would be willing to build a system that is technically incapable of linking the person visiting a sire and the site requesting verification. This proposal may have been updated since I read it previously, so I could be wrong now, but it didn't read as a true zero-knowledge proof as key steps in the flow still required a level of trusting the government as the central authority to do the right thing and not track requests, both today and in the future.
- croes 7mo agoThe EU has more freedom of speech than the US, the US has just a different way of punishment. It’s much easier in the US to lose your job for what you say as in the EU and in the US the consequences of losing your job are more severe if you don’t have enough money so you can afford to lose it. US freedom of speech comes with a price tag that puts the censor inside your brain.
- f33d5173 7mo agoAnd in the eu you go to jail for criticing politicians. I guess it's really all the same, eh?
- n_e 7mo agoIn which countries?
- gzread 7mo agoGermany: https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/03/03/is-it-a-crime-to-mock-politicians-in-germany/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/03/03/is-it-a-crime-to-mo...
- croes 7mo agoYou surely can provide a source. But even prisoners get healthcare in the EU, so I guess some US citizens would even prefer a EU jail over dying in the US. Given the recent deaths of two actors and their GoFundMes I can’t imagine the hassle of less fortunate people when they get hit by US medical bills. The US are one step away from a show like the Running Man shows
- dvngnt_ 7mo agoThis is really an example of "formal rights and material conditions." You make a case that EU has better social safety nets and employee protection not that the US has weaker free speech laws. While you can't ignore the effect having wealth can insulate you from consequences, it still doesn't support your statement as written. Is it true that someone who is retired on a pension in US can say more hateful things without government action vs a similar retiree in EU?
- jim33442 7mo agoSeems like anywhere in the EU, something draconian only needs to be popular for like 5 years for it to get implemented, for better or for worse. They don't have robust constitutions like the US.
- kubb 7mo agoHave you heard of the PATRIOT Act?
- _heimdall 7mo agoI wish the US constitution was robust, or at least could be held to such robustness today. As it stands congress has ceded much of their power to the executive branch and the public is barely represented when rules/regulations/laws are passed.
- kubb 7mo ago> I can't imagine That's admirably honest, but the contents of your mind don't necessarily correspond to the world outside it.
- _heimdall 7mo agoHow so? Though not quite the EU anymore, the UK arrests people based only on speech in a social media post. Why should I expect they would be interested in building a truly private, zero knowledge age verification system? Maybe for a more direct example I could point to the discussions related to the EU wanting direct access to all private messages, pushing Signal to leave the EU if that were to pass?
- kubb 7mo agoI think they arrested (or just fined?) someone for calling to burn down a hotel with migrants. For you this is an oppressive dictatorship, but it doesn’t match reality. It also has no bearing on willingness to implement proof of age without additional disclosure. But yeah not EU, one country in Europe is unlike another, etc.
- _heimdall 7mo agoI don't know the specific case you're referring to, though that's far from the only fine or arrest in the UK related to social media posts. https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-make-30-arrests-a-day-for-offensive-online-messages-zbv886tqf https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-make-30-arr...
- gzread 7mo agoThis is paywalled. What were the posts?
- kubb 7mo agoThey are arguably over policing because of vague laws and proactive enforcement. Most cases don’t lead to convictions. But all cases I’ve ever seen were for something bad like calling for violence, making fun of someone’s death. For free speech absolutists this is unacceptable, but it’s not arbitrary tyranny.
- raron 7mo agoIt's a proposal, so you can check out how it would work. Anonymous age verification is technically possible, but it is as pointless as any other age verification system, it could easily be circumvented if someone older willing to help. Probably there is a reason why nobody uses it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_what_it_does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_wha...