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I'm fine with providing my identity for online banking and other finance platforms for legal & taxation purposes. I can't think of a single other use case in w

by sspiff 7mo ago

I'm fine with providing my identity for online banking and other finance platforms for legal & taxation purposes. I can't think of a single other use case in which I'd be willing to verify my identity. I'd rather go back to hosting email myself, and am fine with circumventing content access control for all other platforms for personal use. We're seeing the world slide towards authoritarian strongmen, and we want to give them a massive index of who we are and what we do? I'd rather not.

chneu 7mo ago
People trade away longevity for short term convenience. Then when that convenience is shown to be bad/unhealthy people refuse to give up that convenience. So many aspects of our lives are like this now. People just accept defeat cuz it would mean giving up one click ordering or free return shipping or they might have to look at labels to avoid bad companies.
- p0w3n3d 7mo ago
  It's because people are too busy and distracted to understand and even listen to what dangers are heading towards them
  - Henchman21 7mo ago
    And this WILL CONTINUE until we choose to turn off and walk away from THE GREAT DISTRACTION MACHINE. We call it “social media”.
SiempreViernes 7mo ago
Honestly I think these age verification laws are blunt instruments responding to the decade of avoided moderation the big platforms have managed to pull off. I've run ad blockers for years now, but I'm still trying to forget those disgusting zit popping pictures that trended in ads for a while. Or those incredibly stupid life hack shorts, like the one where someone tied a cord around a mug and the hack to get it loose was smashing the cup... that crap made me despair for humanity as much as the Gaza genocide. But google and facebook convinced the legislators that it would be impossible to keep that chum away from kids on their platform, so the legislators are going with the next option: banning the kids from the platforms.
- hellojesus 7mo ago
  Heaven forbid their parents denylist the urls on their routers...
marmarama 7mo ago
The problem is those self-same authoritarian strongmen are very successfully using sockpuppeting to change national discourses in ways that benefit them and are detrimental to the targeted countries. Hybrid war is real and has been ongoing for more than a decade. LLMs make it way more cost effective. Being able to limit the influence of external bad actors is the main goal of ID verification. Age verification is a useful side effect that makes it easier to sell to the general public. Big Tech has had at least a decade to fix this, did nothing of note, and is all out of ideas. Privacy advocates had the same time to figure out a "least bad" technical solution, but got so obsessed with railing against it happening at all, that nothing got any traction. So governments are here to legislate, for better or worse. They know it's a trade-off between being undermined by external forces vs. the systems being abused by future governments, but their take is that a future authoritarian government will end up implementing something similar anyway.
- areoform 7mo ago
  Do you truly believe that ID "verification" will do anything in a world where IDs are leaked by the tens of thousands to the millions? You are shifting the onus on to the platforms, when the problem is pretty simple; with a few exceptions, we've failed as a species to learn how to think. Also do you think that the TLAs don't know who the bots most likely are with all the surveillance data they're gathering? That the NSA doesn't have detailed telemetry of the surveillance ops?? Let me ask you the question, what have they done about it? And why not?
- ajam1507 7mo ago
  > Being able to limit the influence of external bad actors is the main goal of ID verification. How does automatically determining your age serve the goal of ID verification? It seems like most sites are choosing this as the first option. If the point was to link your ID, why wouldn't they ask everyone to provide it?
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- specialist 7mo ago
Barbing 7mo ago
>circumventing I would say the time to buy mesh networking equipment is now. But it's not like I'm capable of defending the transmitter. So when they come for the VPNs, the VPSs, and encryption, I guess I'll just be out of luck. (Out of luck = resigned to zero digital privacy. No matter I follow the law and “have nothing to hide” of course.) Perhaps people will pass flash drives like North Korea or Cuba?
- p0w3n3d 7mo ago
  I've seen a channel demonetised because they showed how to use MP3 player and it was deemed "spreading piracy" by Google. So I guess flash drives would get illegal as well...
  - jim33442 7mo ago
    Which channel and which MP3 player? Cause if you're talking about Limewire...
    - p0w3n3d 7mo ago
      This is from Polish internet bubble. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxG8WHMw1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxG8WHMw1g Corrections: the channel was not demonetised, the video was removed

by sspiff 7mo ago

chneu 7mo ago

People trade away longevity for short term convenience. Then when that convenience is shown to be bad/unhealthy people refuse to give up that convenience. So many aspects of our lives are like this now. People just accept defeat cuz it would mean giving up one click ordering or free return shipping or they might have to look at labels to avoid bad companies.

p0w3n3d 7mo ago
It's because people are too busy and distracted to understand and even listen to what dangers are heading towards them
- Henchman21 7mo ago
  And this WILL CONTINUE until we choose to turn off and walk away from THE GREAT DISTRACTION MACHINE. We call it “social media”.

SiempreViernes 7mo ago

Honestly I think these age verification laws are blunt instruments responding to the decade of avoided moderation the big platforms have managed to pull off. I've run ad blockers for years now, but I'm still trying to forget those disgusting zit popping pictures that trended in ads for a while. Or those incredibly stupid life hack shorts, like the one where someone tied a cord around a mug and the hack to get it loose was smashing the cup... that crap made me despair for humanity as much as the Gaza genocide. But google and facebook convinced the legislators that it would be impossible to keep that chum away from kids on their platform, so the legislators are going with the next option: banning the kids from the platforms.

hellojesus 7mo ago
Heaven forbid their parents denylist the urls on their routers...

marmarama 7mo ago

The problem is those self-same authoritarian strongmen are very successfully using sockpuppeting to change national discourses in ways that benefit them and are detrimental to the targeted countries. Hybrid war is real and has been ongoing for more than a decade. LLMs make it way more cost effective. Being able to limit the influence of external bad actors is the main goal of ID verification. Age verification is a useful side effect that makes it easier to sell to the general public. Big Tech has had at least a decade to fix this, did nothing of note, and is all out of ideas. Privacy advocates had the same time to figure out a "least bad" technical solution, but got so obsessed with railing against it happening at all, that nothing got any traction. So governments are here to legislate, for better or worse. They know it's a trade-off between being undermined by external forces vs. the systems being abused by future governments, but their take is that a future authoritarian government will end up implementing something similar anyway.

areoform 7mo ago
Do you truly believe that ID "verification" will do anything in a world where IDs are leaked by the tens of thousands to the millions? You are shifting the onus on to the platforms, when the problem is pretty simple; with a few exceptions, we've failed as a species to learn how to think. Also do you think that the TLAs don't know who the bots most likely are with all the surveillance data they're gathering? That the NSA doesn't have detailed telemetry of the surveillance ops?? Let me ask you the question, what have they done about it? And why not?
ajam1507 7mo ago
> Being able to limit the influence of external bad actors is the main goal of ID verification. How does automatically determining your age serve the goal of ID verification? It seems like most sites are choosing this as the first option. If the point was to link your ID, why wouldn't they ask everyone to provide it?
- deleted 7mo ago
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specialist 7mo ago

Barbing 7mo ago

>circumventing I would say the time to buy mesh networking equipment is now. But it's not like I'm capable of defending the transmitter. So when they come for the VPNs, the VPSs, and encryption, I guess I'll just be out of luck. (Out of luck = resigned to zero digital privacy. No matter I follow the law and “have nothing to hide” of course.) Perhaps people will pass flash drives like North Korea or Cuba?

p0w3n3d 7mo ago
I've seen a channel demonetised because they showed how to use MP3 player and it was deemed "spreading piracy" by Google. So I guess flash drives would get illegal as well...
- jim33442 7mo ago
  Which channel and which MP3 player? Cause if you're talking about Limewire...
  - p0w3n3d 7mo ago
    This is from Polish internet bubble. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxG8WHMw1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxG8WHMw1g Corrections: the channel was not demonetised, the video was removed