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When will the UK citizens stand up against the regime?

direwolf20 8mo ago
When they don't like it. You disagree with the regime, but the vast majority of UKranians do not.
karel-3d 8mo ago
Honestly both Labour and Conservatives are bound to take a beating next elections. I have no idea how will Greens and/or Reform government look like, we shall see.
aPoCoMiLogin 8mo ago
not gonna happen, the issue is very deeply rooted already, you can't change that without force
sph 8mo ago
Mass surveillance and living in a police state is an ingrained part of British culture. It is no wonder to me that police procedurals are the most popular genre of TV shows in UK by quite a margin. They really are high-quality, but it does really feel like thinly-veiled propaganda (often commissioned by the BBC) portraying the State and police as the good guys in their endless quest against the baddies. Thank god there are CCTVs at every corner keeping the peace!
- walthamstow 8mo ago
  Weird extrapolation. They're popular in lots of places - Law & Order has been running 30 years. None of this is unique to the UK. I'm old enough to remember 24, the show that whitewashed torture while people were getting renditioned by the CIA. I'd be more surprised if there was a country where this kind of thing didn't happen.
- remus 8mo ago
  Have you lived in the UK? I have, and it doesn't feel like a police state.
  - tim333 8mo ago
    Indeed "totalitarian state controlled by a political police force" is not the thing - Brit here. Iran maybe.
    - sph 8mo ago
      I didn't use the word "totalitarian", which the UK still isn't for the time being. A surveillance state doesn't necessary have to be totalitarian (the CCTVs were in good conscience put there to protect us from the baddies). But it certainly is a precondition to become that over time.
  - sph 8mo ago
    Almost 15 years, yes. Were you born in the UK, or do you have outside perspective?
    - OJFord 8mo ago
      Not GP but I was born in the UK, and from 'CCTV on every corner' even as an exaggeration I'd question if you stepped outside London in those 15 years, not counting 'London' airports.
gib444 8mo ago
It’s illegal to protest in a way that has any real effect now
- tim333 8mo ago
  I live in central London and there are protests pretty much daily about all sorts of things. The problem is more no one paying attention to them rather than their being illegal.
  - gib444 8mo ago
    "that has any real effect". All the words I wrote were to be read
    - OJFord 8mo ago
      How do you want to be able to protest (for 'real effect') that is currently illegal?
      - gib444 8mo ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/11/shabana-mahmood-approves-police-request-to-ban-al-quds-march-in-london https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/11/shabana-mah... I don't support that organisation, but I support the right not to be banned from walking in protest, in a pre policing move. You can bet the static protest people will be kettled too as a defensive measure. I don't support frightening makeshift imprisonment in the street. I don't support the requirement to get permission from the police to walk in protest either Tell me: how much change you think you can effect with a few people stood static, self policing your words as not to cause offence to anyone, and then likely kettled by the police? Tell me that isn't banning protest You're basically permitted to stand silent with a totally inoffensive sign (offensive or potentially to absolutely nobody) in a very small group that attracts no attention
tim333 8mo ago
The age rules are broadly popular - 69% in favour, 22% against. It's a democracy - they'll probably be voted out some time. (survey https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/52693-how-have-britons-rea...)

When they don't like it. You disagree with the regime, but the vast majority of UKranians do not.

Honestly both Labour and Conservatives are bound to take a beating next elections. I have no idea how will Greens and/or Reform government look like, we shall see.

aPoCoMiLogin 8mo ago

not gonna happen, the issue is very deeply rooted already, you can't change that without force

sph 8mo ago

Mass surveillance and living in a police state is an ingrained part of British culture. It is no wonder to me that police procedurals are the most popular genre of TV shows in UK by quite a margin. They really are high-quality, but it does really feel like thinly-veiled propaganda (often commissioned by the BBC) portraying the State and police as the good guys in their endless quest against the baddies. Thank god there are CCTVs at every corner keeping the peace!

walthamstow 8mo ago
Weird extrapolation. They're popular in lots of places - Law & Order has been running 30 years. None of this is unique to the UK. I'm old enough to remember 24, the show that whitewashed torture while people were getting renditioned by the CIA. I'd be more surprised if there was a country where this kind of thing didn't happen.
remus 8mo ago
Have you lived in the UK? I have, and it doesn't feel like a police state.
- tim333 8mo ago
  Indeed "totalitarian state controlled by a political police force" is not the thing - Brit here. Iran maybe.
  - sph 8mo ago
    I didn't use the word "totalitarian", which the UK still isn't for the time being. A surveillance state doesn't necessary have to be totalitarian (the CCTVs were in good conscience put there to protect us from the baddies). But it certainly is a precondition to become that over time.
- sph 8mo ago
  Almost 15 years, yes. Were you born in the UK, or do you have outside perspective?
  - OJFord 8mo ago
    Not GP but I was born in the UK, and from 'CCTV on every corner' even as an exaggeration I'd question if you stepped outside London in those 15 years, not counting 'London' airports.

gib444 8mo ago

It’s illegal to protest in a way that has any real effect now

tim333 8mo ago
I live in central London and there are protests pretty much daily about all sorts of things. The problem is more no one paying attention to them rather than their being illegal.
- gib444 8mo ago
  "that has any real effect". All the words I wrote were to be read
  - OJFord 8mo ago
    How do you want to be able to protest (for 'real effect') that is currently illegal?
    - gib444 8mo ago
      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/11/shabana-mahmood-approves-police-request-to-ban-al-quds-march-in-london https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/11/shabana-mah... I don't support that organisation, but I support the right not to be banned from walking in protest, in a pre policing move. You can bet the static protest people will be kettled too as a defensive measure. I don't support frightening makeshift imprisonment in the street. I don't support the requirement to get permission from the police to walk in protest either Tell me: how much change you think you can effect with a few people stood static, self policing your words as not to cause offence to anyone, and then likely kettled by the police? Tell me that isn't banning protest You're basically permitted to stand silent with a totally inoffensive sign (offensive or potentially to absolutely nobody) in a very small group that attracts no attention

tim333 8mo ago

The age rules are broadly popular - 69% in favour, 22% against. It's a democracy - they'll probably be voted out some time. (survey https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/52693-how-have-britons-rea...)