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I think the article is being s bit disingenuous. The real problem is triple A developers and publishers pushing for it to replace a not insignificant amount of

by bilekas 8mo ago

I think the article is being s bit disingenuous. The real problem is triple A developers and publishers pushing for it to replace a not insignificant amount of creative work. While still over charging everyone and scalpling every $ from everyone with micro transactions and game mechanics that need xp boosters.

peteforde 8mo ago
What you are describing is a completely different set of problems. They are both real and coexist, often at the same time.
- bilekas 8mo ago
  > They are both real and coexist, often at the same time. Are they though because I don't see the discourse of indie or single game developers being ostracized in some public shaming trend. I see it only in the double/triple `A` scene.
  - yellowapple 8mo ago
    > I don't see the discourse of indie or single game developers being ostracized in some public shaming trend Not specifically “game” developers, but I do see attempts at that ostracization on the OSDev subreddit; at least one participant there has posted progress updates on a vibe-coded hobby OS, and each of those updates ends up deluged with people complaining specifically about the AI use.
    - bilekas 8mo ago
      > and each of those updates ends up deluged with people complaining specifically about the AI use I would genuinely like to see this thread, because if the comments are legitimate and backed up by examples, ie : "This is XSS vulnerable" etc.. then even with the prefix of "AI Slop" I'm fine with.. I think it's fair people don't get too comfortable with just trusting vibe coded agents, when in my own experience, the bugs they leave around are often harder to identify from a simple review than a simple architeture misalignment.
      - peteforde 8mo ago
        It would elevate the conversation significantly if people didn't use "vibe coding" and AI use interchangeably. I don't use Reddit, but you don't have to look for a specific thread. It often feels like there's a mob of people just waiting for fresh meat to wander into their camp. Literally any thread referencing AI on this site is full of people who appear to have nothing but venom and contempt for people who use these tools. It's not everyone, but loud minorities are still loud.
        bilekas 8mo ago
        I'll try to only use the term AI as VibeCoding is more a derivative. There definitely are some people who are just doomers about AI entirely and I think it's always the case with any new technology. That said, you can't deny there is just an unholy amount of useless applications for the AI tooling that are really not providing anything useful other than generating 'slop'. Using AI tools for protein folding or medical breakthroughs for example will impact the world in a positive way. People will champion that. Using them to automate your creativity hasn't been in demand by anyone except shareholders or people looking to milk a quick ad revenue for little to no effort. So of course, there's a negative sentiment.
yellowapple 8mo ago
I don't think the article pointing out the existence of AI use outside of that “real problem” is disingenuity. It's possible to simultaneously condone indie developers using AI to make the most of their limited budgets and condemn AAA studios for using AI to lay off their workers; conflating one with the other just makes it harder to have an honest and productive conversation about whether AI helps or hurts software development as a profession and a craft.

by bilekas 8mo ago

peteforde 8mo ago

What you are describing is a completely different set of problems. They are both real and coexist, often at the same time.

bilekas 8mo ago
> They are both real and coexist, often at the same time. Are they though because I don't see the discourse of indie or single game developers being ostracized in some public shaming trend. I see it only in the double/triple `A` scene.
- yellowapple 8mo ago
  > I don't see the discourse of indie or single game developers being ostracized in some public shaming trend Not specifically “game” developers, but I do see attempts at that ostracization on the OSDev subreddit; at least one participant there has posted progress updates on a vibe-coded hobby OS, and each of those updates ends up deluged with people complaining specifically about the AI use.
  - bilekas 8mo ago
    > and each of those updates ends up deluged with people complaining specifically about the AI use I would genuinely like to see this thread, because if the comments are legitimate and backed up by examples, ie : "This is XSS vulnerable" etc.. then even with the prefix of "AI Slop" I'm fine with.. I think it's fair people don't get too comfortable with just trusting vibe coded agents, when in my own experience, the bugs they leave around are often harder to identify from a simple review than a simple architeture misalignment.
    - peteforde 8mo ago
      It would elevate the conversation significantly if people didn't use "vibe coding" and AI use interchangeably. I don't use Reddit, but you don't have to look for a specific thread. It often feels like there's a mob of people just waiting for fresh meat to wander into their camp. Literally any thread referencing AI on this site is full of people who appear to have nothing but venom and contempt for people who use these tools. It's not everyone, but loud minorities are still loud.
      - bilekas 8mo ago
        I'll try to only use the term AI as VibeCoding is more a derivative. There definitely are some people who are just doomers about AI entirely and I think it's always the case with any new technology. That said, you can't deny there is just an unholy amount of useless applications for the AI tooling that are really not providing anything useful other than generating 'slop'. Using AI tools for protein folding or medical breakthroughs for example will impact the world in a positive way. People will champion that. Using them to automate your creativity hasn't been in demand by anyone except shareholders or people looking to milk a quick ad revenue for little to no effort. So of course, there's a negative sentiment.

yellowapple 8mo ago

I don't think the article pointing out the existence of AI use outside of that “real problem” is disingenuity. It's possible to simultaneously condone indie developers using AI to make the most of their limited budgets and condemn AAA studios for using AI to lay off their workers; conflating one with the other just makes it harder to have an honest and productive conversation about whether AI helps or hurts software development as a profession and a craft.