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I don't get how private businesses allow these. It's as creepy as Google Glass, yet we don't see the same pushback. Is it because younger people don't care abo

by echelon 8mo ago

I don't get how private businesses allow these. It's as creepy as Google Glass, yet we don't see the same pushback. Is it because younger people don't care about privacy anymore?

RobotToaster 8mo ago
Google glass was more a victim of it's time, normies weren't used to everyone carrying a camera everywhere back then.
- dmschulman 8mo ago
  Google Glass failed because they made the user look like they were wearing a high tech computer on their face ala Dragon Ball Z. It looked odd. Meta and Snap learned from this, but it had nothing to do with smartphone cameras not being part of daily life. The first iPhone was 2007. Google Glass came out in 2013
monegator 8mo ago
they are raybans. glassholes were ugly and quirky.
zer0zzz 8mo ago
The youths literally do not care from what I observe. How many people under 25 do you interact with on a day to day basis?
- bigyabai 8mo ago
  Don't forget the older people, many of whom gladly use Facebook or WhatsApp without a second thought. Us HN weirdos are some of the last who care, and even we disagree on which tech is creepy. Hard to blame the average Joe for giving up.
- throwaway290 8mo ago
  I know about 20 and 2 of them are without socials and even smartphones. Its a counterculture HN is an echo chamber who can't imagine not using some tech. Normal people can...
- riffraff 8mo ago
  I'm pretty sure they care who takes pictures or videos of them. Try going on a train and taking pictures of a young woman or man. The only difference is these are less noticeable.
  - zer0zzz 8mo ago
    > and even we disagree on which tech is creepy. I think this is a huge point of constant bickering here. Makes it impossible to take most privacy centric discussion seriously.
- pastage 8mo ago
  There are bubbles, you are obviously in one if you do not know any privacy concerned under 25. I know 15 year olds who are extreme privacy freaks, then I care about it so it might be easier to find those people. I do find that it is the people that I think are least likely are the one who are the most extreme.
  - zer0zzz 8mo ago
    You make a good point. I know a couple in there late 20s with kids who are pretty apathetic about their own privacy but who refuse to let Google or iCloud sync photos of their kids.
- rangerelf 8mo ago
  On the other hand, EVERY young person in my circle (my kids and their friends) is insanely privacy aware. All of that means ... we're not part of the young people anymore?
dwayne_dibley 8mo ago
Yes, the window has shifted considerably since Google glass
dataflow 8mo ago
As creepy? It's way creepier than Google Glass.
NitpickLawyer 8mo ago
> It's as creepy as Google Glass, yet we don't see the same pushback. Didn't it come out that the pushback against google glasses was in part made by PR companies on behalf of their competition? I remember reading something along those lines.
- DonHopkins 8mo ago
  Are you suggesting Robert Scoble's PR company was working on behalf of the competition? Larry Page on Robert Scoble’s Google Glass stunt: ‘I really didn’t appreciate the shower photo’: https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4333656/larry-page-teases-robert-scoble-for-nude-google-glass-photo https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4333656/larry-page-teases... Perhaps his PR company business venture he tastelessly plugged in his sexual harassment non-apology-apology? Scoble: an utterly tone deaf response to harassment allegations: https://onemanandhisblog.com/2017/10/scoble-utterly-tone-deaf-response-metoo-allegations/ https://onemanandhisblog.com/2017/10/scoble-utterly-tone-dea... >The Verge‘s Adi Robertson sums it us thus: >>But his latest defense puts forward an absurd definition of sexual harassment and effectively accuses women of reporting it to fit in with the cool crowd, while claiming he’s writing in “a spirit of healing.” There’s even a tasteless plug for his latest business venture. It’s one of the most disappointing responses we’ve seen to a sexual harassment complaint, which, after the past few weeks, is a fairly remarkable achievement. He's scrubbed it from his blog and even Internet Archive, but it was well covered and widely quoted all over: https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/25/16547332/robert-scoble-sexual-harassment-misconduct-response-blog-post https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/25/16547332/robert-scoble-s... https://www.theregister.com/2017/10/25/robert_scoble_latest/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/10/25/robert_scoble_latest/ https://www.resetera.com/threads/uploadvr-has-a-big-sexual-harassment-problem.2165/ https://www.resetera.com/threads/uploadvr-has-a-big-sexual-h... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/robert-scoble-i-didnt-sexually-harass-women-as-i-lacked-power-over-them/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/robert-scoble-i-... https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2017/10/178458/sexual-harassment-robert-scoble-victim-blaming https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2017/10/178458/sexual-haras... https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/10/25/robert-scoble-didnt-sexually-harass-women-because-had-no-power-over-them/799600001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/10/25/robert-sc... https://slate.com/technology/2017/10/robert-scobles-blog-post-is-everything-you-shouldnt-do-when-publicly-accused-of-sexual-assault.html https://slate.com/technology/2017/10/robert-scobles-blog-pos... https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/robert-scoble-defines-the-limits-of-my-influence-in-tech/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/robert-scoble-define... I think you're on to something! Maybe Meta paid Scoble to embarrass Google Glass, and now Google is paying him to embarrass Meta AI Smart Glasses too! Great work if you can get somebody to finance your serial sexual harassment scandals.
OrangeMusic 8mo ago
Why would they disallow cameras on glasses but not cameras on phones, where it's just as easy to take pictures discreetly. Not to mention, hidden miniature cameras have existed for decades.
- dwighttk 8mo ago
  People using hidden miniature cameras should be shamed and punished when that is discovered just like the people using these glasses.
  - OrangeMusic 8mo ago
    All right here's my position: - filming people without their consent is wrong - the vast majority of people are not creeps and are not discreetly filming random people - the vast majority of people are not interesting, and nobody is filming them - today, in a public space, everybody already has lots or cameras pointing to them (e.g. anyone with a phone), without a way to know if they're being filmed. So this is not a new 'problem'. - banning smart glasses doesn't make sense if you're not also banning all devices that can film discreetly (so, smartphones) - 'creeps' use hidden miniature cameras, not glasses with an obvious camera right there on their very face
    - kakacik 8mo ago
      Incorrect points, there should be just first and the rest is just fluff. Try taking a photo of somebody with your phone. Usage will definitely look like you are snapping a picture, nobody walks around with phones straight up. The result is, when you take pics with phone, most often its obvious. When you insult people by not asking, they see it and react negatively. When you point to people with smart glasses, nobody knows do they and that seems to be the point. Or is it beeping and blinking some led to make everybody aware? I don't think so. Also, we live in society where smart doorbell for which it shouldn't be technically possible to upload any pics to cloud due to not having subscription still did that, and from major manufacturer. Security is a moot point, quadruple that for facebook / meta who are consistent assholes regarding breaking security and privacy to scoop any possible data points for further advertising. The slaps on wrist they receive is just cost of doing business.
kstrauser 8mo ago
I’ve banned them from our office, for the same reason that I’d tell someone deliberately aiming their phone camera at the screen all day to knock it off. In an office setting, you have to treat these as industrial espionage tools, either by choice of the wearer or of a remote person controlling them.

by echelon 8mo ago

I don't get how private businesses allow these. It's as creepy as Google Glass, yet we don't see the same pushback. Is it because younger people don't care about privacy anymore?

RobotToaster 8mo ago

Google glass was more a victim of it's time, normies weren't used to everyone carrying a camera everywhere back then.

dmschulman 8mo ago
Google Glass failed because they made the user look like they were wearing a high tech computer on their face ala Dragon Ball Z. It looked odd. Meta and Snap learned from this, but it had nothing to do with smartphone cameras not being part of daily life. The first iPhone was 2007. Google Glass came out in 2013

monegator 8mo ago

they are raybans. glassholes were ugly and quirky.

zer0zzz 8mo ago

The youths literally do not care from what I observe. How many people under 25 do you interact with on a day to day basis?

bigyabai 8mo ago
Don't forget the older people, many of whom gladly use Facebook or WhatsApp without a second thought. Us HN weirdos are some of the last who care, and even we disagree on which tech is creepy. Hard to blame the average Joe for giving up.
throwaway290 8mo ago
I know about 20 and 2 of them are without socials and even smartphones. Its a counterculture HN is an echo chamber who can't imagine not using some tech. Normal people can...
riffraff 8mo ago
I'm pretty sure they care who takes pictures or videos of them. Try going on a train and taking pictures of a young woman or man. The only difference is these are less noticeable.
- zer0zzz 8mo ago
  > and even we disagree on which tech is creepy. I think this is a huge point of constant bickering here. Makes it impossible to take most privacy centric discussion seriously.
pastage 8mo ago
There are bubbles, you are obviously in one if you do not know any privacy concerned under 25. I know 15 year olds who are extreme privacy freaks, then I care about it so it might be easier to find those people. I do find that it is the people that I think are least likely are the one who are the most extreme.
- zer0zzz 8mo ago
  You make a good point. I know a couple in there late 20s with kids who are pretty apathetic about their own privacy but who refuse to let Google or iCloud sync photos of their kids.
rangerelf 8mo ago
On the other hand, EVERY young person in my circle (my kids and their friends) is insanely privacy aware. All of that means ... we're not part of the young people anymore?

dwayne_dibley 8mo ago

Yes, the window has shifted considerably since Google glass

dataflow 8mo ago

As creepy? It's way creepier than Google Glass.

NitpickLawyer 8mo ago

> It's as creepy as Google Glass, yet we don't see the same pushback. Didn't it come out that the pushback against google glasses was in part made by PR companies on behalf of their competition? I remember reading something along those lines.

DonHopkins 8mo ago
Are you suggesting Robert Scoble's PR company was working on behalf of the competition? Larry Page on Robert Scoble’s Google Glass stunt: ‘I really didn’t appreciate the shower photo’: https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4333656/larry-page-teases-robert-scoble-for-nude-google-glass-photo https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4333656/larry-page-teases... Perhaps his PR company business venture he tastelessly plugged in his sexual harassment non-apology-apology? Scoble: an utterly tone deaf response to harassment allegations: https://onemanandhisblog.com/2017/10/scoble-utterly-tone-deaf-response-metoo-allegations/ https://onemanandhisblog.com/2017/10/scoble-utterly-tone-dea... >The Verge‘s Adi Robertson sums it us thus: >>But his latest defense puts forward an absurd definition of sexual harassment and effectively accuses women of reporting it to fit in with the cool crowd, while claiming he’s writing in “a spirit of healing.” There’s even a tasteless plug for his latest business venture. It’s one of the most disappointing responses we’ve seen to a sexual harassment complaint, which, after the past few weeks, is a fairly remarkable achievement. He's scrubbed it from his blog and even Internet Archive, but it was well covered and widely quoted all over: https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/25/16547332/robert-scoble-sexual-harassment-misconduct-response-blog-post https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/25/16547332/robert-scoble-s... https://www.theregister.com/2017/10/25/robert_scoble_latest/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/10/25/robert_scoble_latest/ https://www.resetera.com/threads/uploadvr-has-a-big-sexual-harassment-problem.2165/ https://www.resetera.com/threads/uploadvr-has-a-big-sexual-h... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/robert-scoble-i-didnt-sexually-harass-women-as-i-lacked-power-over-them/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/robert-scoble-i-... https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2017/10/178458/sexual-harassment-robert-scoble-victim-blaming https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2017/10/178458/sexual-haras... https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/10/25/robert-scoble-didnt-sexually-harass-women-because-had-no-power-over-them/799600001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/10/25/robert-sc... https://slate.com/technology/2017/10/robert-scobles-blog-post-is-everything-you-shouldnt-do-when-publicly-accused-of-sexual-assault.html https://slate.com/technology/2017/10/robert-scobles-blog-pos... https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/robert-scoble-defines-the-limits-of-my-influence-in-tech/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/robert-scoble-define... I think you're on to something! Maybe Meta paid Scoble to embarrass Google Glass, and now Google is paying him to embarrass Meta AI Smart Glasses too! Great work if you can get somebody to finance your serial sexual harassment scandals.

OrangeMusic 8mo ago

Why would they disallow cameras on glasses but not cameras on phones, where it's just as easy to take pictures discreetly. Not to mention, hidden miniature cameras have existed for decades.

dwighttk 8mo ago
People using hidden miniature cameras should be shamed and punished when that is discovered just like the people using these glasses.
- OrangeMusic 8mo ago
  All right here's my position: - filming people without their consent is wrong - the vast majority of people are not creeps and are not discreetly filming random people - the vast majority of people are not interesting, and nobody is filming them - today, in a public space, everybody already has lots or cameras pointing to them (e.g. anyone with a phone), without a way to know if they're being filmed. So this is not a new 'problem'. - banning smart glasses doesn't make sense if you're not also banning all devices that can film discreetly (so, smartphones) - 'creeps' use hidden miniature cameras, not glasses with an obvious camera right there on their very face
  - kakacik 8mo ago
    Incorrect points, there should be just first and the rest is just fluff. Try taking a photo of somebody with your phone. Usage will definitely look like you are snapping a picture, nobody walks around with phones straight up. The result is, when you take pics with phone, most often its obvious. When you insult people by not asking, they see it and react negatively. When you point to people with smart glasses, nobody knows do they and that seems to be the point. Or is it beeping and blinking some led to make everybody aware? I don't think so. Also, we live in society where smart doorbell for which it shouldn't be technically possible to upload any pics to cloud due to not having subscription still did that, and from major manufacturer. Security is a moot point, quadruple that for facebook / meta who are consistent assholes regarding breaking security and privacy to scoop any possible data points for further advertising. The slaps on wrist they receive is just cost of doing business.

kstrauser 8mo ago

I’ve banned them from our office, for the same reason that I’d tell someone deliberately aiming their phone camera at the screen all day to knock it off. In an office setting, you have to treat these as industrial espionage tools, either by choice of the wearer or of a remote person controlling them.