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I don't understand how a parent can be OK non-consenually uploading pictures of their children's real faces to an ad driven AI company famous for abusing people
by greentea23 7mo ago
I don't understand how a parent can be OK non-consenually uploading pictures of their children's real faces to an ad driven AI company famous for abusing people's data and manipulating children on their platforms.
- echelon 7mo agoI don't get how private businesses allow these. It's as creepy as Google Glass, yet we don't see the same pushback. Is it because younger people don't care about privacy anymore?
- RobotToaster 7mo agoGoogle glass was more a victim of it's time, normies weren't used to everyone carrying a camera everywhere back then.
- dmschulman 7mo agoGoogle Glass failed because they made the user look like they were wearing a high tech computer on their face ala Dragon Ball Z. It looked odd. Meta and Snap learned from this, but it had nothing to do with smartphone cameras not being part of daily life. The first iPhone was 2007. Google Glass came out in 2013
- monegator 7mo agothey are raybans. glassholes were ugly and quirky.
- zer0zzz 7mo agoThe youths literally do not care from what I observe. How many people under 25 do you interact with on a day to day basis?
- bigyabai 7mo agoDon't forget the older people, many of whom gladly use Facebook or WhatsApp without a second thought. Us HN weirdos are some of the last who care, and even we disagree on which tech is creepy. Hard to blame the average Joe for giving up.
- throwaway290 7mo agoI know about 20 and 2 of them are without socials and even smartphones. Its a counterculture HN is an echo chamber who can't imagine not using some tech. Normal people can...
- riffraff 7mo agoI'm pretty sure they care who takes pictures or videos of them. Try going on a train and taking pictures of a young woman or man. The only difference is these are less noticeable.
- zer0zzz 7mo ago> and even we disagree on which tech is creepy. I think this is a huge point of constant bickering here. Makes it impossible to take most privacy centric discussion seriously.
- pastage 7mo agoThere are bubbles, you are obviously in one if you do not know any privacy concerned under 25. I know 15 year olds who are extreme privacy freaks, then I care about it so it might be easier to find those people. I do find that it is the people that I think are least likely are the one who are the most extreme.
- zer0zzz 7mo agoYou make a good point. I know a couple in there late 20s with kids who are pretty apathetic about their own privacy but who refuse to let Google or iCloud sync photos of their kids.
- rangerelf 7mo agoOn the other hand, EVERY young person in my circle (my kids and their friends) is insanely privacy aware. All of that means ... we're not part of the young people anymore?
- dwayne_dibley 7mo agoYes, the window has shifted considerably since Google glass
- dataflow 7mo agoAs creepy? It's way creepier than Google Glass.
- NitpickLawyer 7mo ago> It's as creepy as Google Glass, yet we don't see the same pushback. Didn't it come out that the pushback against google glasses was in part made by PR companies on behalf of their competition? I remember reading something along those lines.
- DonHopkins 7mo agoAre you suggesting Robert Scoble's PR company was working on behalf of the competition? Larry Page on Robert Scoble’s Google Glass stunt: ‘I really didn’t appreciate the shower photo’: https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4333656/larry-page-teases-robert-scoble-for-nude-google-glass-photo https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4333656/larry-page-teases... Perhaps his PR company business venture he tastelessly plugged in his sexual harassment non-apology-apology? Scoble: an utterly tone deaf response to harassment allegations: https://onemanandhisblog.com/2017/10/scoble-utterly-tone-deaf-response-metoo-allegations/ https://onemanandhisblog.com/2017/10/scoble-utterly-tone-dea... >The Verge‘s Adi Robertson sums it us thus: >>But his latest defense puts forward an absurd definition of sexual harassment and effectively accuses women of reporting it to fit in with the cool crowd, while claiming he’s writing in “a spirit of healing.” There’s even a tasteless plug for his latest business venture. It’s one of the most disappointing responses we’ve seen to a sexual harassment complaint, which, after the past few weeks, is a fairly remarkable achievement. He's scrubbed it from his blog and even Internet Archive, but it was well covered and widely quoted all over: https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/25/16547332/robert-scoble-sexual-harassment-misconduct-response-blog-post https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/25/16547332/robert-scoble-s... https://www.theregister.com/2017/10/25/robert_scoble_latest/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/10/25/robert_scoble_latest/ https://www.resetera.com/threads/uploadvr-has-a-big-sexual-harassment-problem.2165/ https://www.resetera.com/threads/uploadvr-has-a-big-sexual-h... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/robert-scoble-i-didnt-sexually-harass-women-as-i-lacked-power-over-them/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/robert-scoble-i-... https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2017/10/178458/sexual-harassment-robert-scoble-victim-blaming https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2017/10/178458/sexual-haras... https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/10/25/robert-scoble-didnt-sexually-harass-women-because-had-no-power-over-them/799600001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/10/25/robert-sc... https://slate.com/technology/2017/10/robert-scobles-blog-post-is-everything-you-shouldnt-do-when-publicly-accused-of-sexual-assault.html https://slate.com/technology/2017/10/robert-scobles-blog-pos... https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/robert-scoble-defines-the-limits-of-my-influence-in-tech/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/robert-scoble-define... I think you're on to something! Maybe Meta paid Scoble to embarrass Google Glass, and now Google is paying him to embarrass Meta AI Smart Glasses too! Great work if you can get somebody to finance your serial sexual harassment scandals.
- OrangeMusic 7mo agoWhy would they disallow cameras on glasses but not cameras on phones, where it's just as easy to take pictures discreetly. Not to mention, hidden miniature cameras have existed for decades.
- dwighttk 7mo agoPeople using hidden miniature cameras should be shamed and punished when that is discovered just like the people using these glasses.
- OrangeMusic 7mo agoAll right here's my position: - filming people without their consent is wrong - the vast majority of people are not creeps and are not discreetly filming random people - the vast majority of people are not interesting, and nobody is filming them - today, in a public space, everybody already has lots or cameras pointing to them (e.g. anyone with a phone), without a way to know if they're being filmed. So this is not a new 'problem'. - banning smart glasses doesn't make sense if you're not also banning all devices that can film discreetly (so, smartphones) - 'creeps' use hidden miniature cameras, not glasses with an obvious camera right there on their very face
- kakacik 7mo agoIncorrect points, there should be just first and the rest is just fluff. Try taking a photo of somebody with your phone. Usage will definitely look like you are snapping a picture, nobody walks around with phones straight up. The result is, when you take pics with phone, most often its obvious. When you insult people by not asking, they see it and react negatively. When you point to people with smart glasses, nobody knows do they and that seems to be the point. Or is it beeping and blinking some led to make everybody aware? I don't think so. Also, we live in society where smart doorbell for which it shouldn't be technically possible to upload any pics to cloud due to not having subscription still did that, and from major manufacturer. Security is a moot point, quadruple that for facebook / meta who are consistent assholes regarding breaking security and privacy to scoop any possible data points for further advertising. The slaps on wrist they receive is just cost of doing business.
- kstrauser 7mo agoI’ve banned them from our office, for the same reason that I’d tell someone deliberately aiming their phone camera at the screen all day to knock it off. In an office setting, you have to treat these as industrial espionage tools, either by choice of the wearer or of a remote person controlling them.
- Findecanor 7mo agoIt is because they don't understand the scope of the problem. People are inclined to think that other people who have treated them kindly mean well also in the long term.
- chucksmash 7mo agoNon-consensual? Abuse? The terminology you chose is tasteless, loaded, and detracts from your point.
- datsci_est_2015 7mo agoIt’s not a controversial viewpoint that a child can’t consent to their information being uploaded permanently to the internet, even by a parent. This is because, as an adult, I can’t retroactively remove my presence from the internet. Seems silly in trivial cases (school website), but is quite severe in others (bathtub photos). It’s also not controversial to paint the harmful, profit-seeking actions of companies upon minors as “abusive” (e.g. tobacco firms). If anything, your knee-jerk response at their rhetoric raises eyebrows: why would you go to bat for a company who by nearly all public measures is fundamentally evil in aim and structure?
- chucksmash 7mo agoIf there's something wrong with how we've organized our society than we need to fix it on a societal level. Evoking what the comment in question evokes over uploading pictures of your kid to the internet is not the way to convince people. It takes the thing you want people to care about and exaggerates it in a way that makes your view point trivial to dismiss. I say this from the place of someone who deactivated their social media accounts over similar concerns. This is not the way to convince people.
- datsci_est_2015 7mo ago> This is not the way to convince people. Idk, agree to disagree in this case. Sometimes people do need to hear the stark words of those they disagree with to reconsider their weakly, or even deeply, held positions. Especially in this forum, where so many people of what I would figure is “higher intelligence” continue to turn a blind eye to the clearly unethical actions of their employers because $$$. Some of them even convince themselves that what they’re doing is somehow not unethical!
- tim333 7mo agoProbably the majority of the planet share family photos on facebook, messenger, whatsapp or instagram - all meta properties. On the whole nothing much bad happens.
- croes 7mo agoPretty short sighted
- IncreasePosts 7mo agoMy 5 year old didn't consent to going to kindergarten today. But I sent him any way. I am quite the monster it seems.
- losvedir 7mo agoYou don't get how parents share pictures of their children with their friends and family on Facebook?