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France for the past four years, weekly newspaper Canard Enchaine reports Wednesday without citing sources. Er, Canard Enchaine is a satirical paper. Quite good

France for the past four years, weekly newspaper Canard Enchaine reports Wednesday without citing sources. Er, Canard Enchaine is a satirical paper. Quite good, usually, in annoying politicians. I would read this news with a barrel full of salt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canard_enchaine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canard_enchaine EDIT: Added Wikipedia link

Permit 14y ago
I imagine this is the American equivalent to when Iranian news agencies cite the Onion[1]. [1]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49226254/ns/us_news-weird_news/t/onions-obama-ahmadinejad-poll-cited-fact-iran/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49226254/ns/us_news-weird_news/t...
- lifeisstillgood 14y ago
  Le Canard is much more like "Private Eye" in the UK - they actually have a tradition of real journalism, sourced facts, and an independance that allows them to shout BS Of course they make most money from jokes, but then investigative journalism seems to mostly be bugging answerphones to find out who you are sleeping with.
emillon 14y ago
It is satirical but very serious and definitely about real news unlike the Onion. In the past it has revealed quite a few scandals. This page lists them (in french, sorry) : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d%27affaires_r%C3%A9v%C3%A9l%C3%A9es_par_le_Canard_encha%C3%AEn%C3%A9 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d%27affaires_r%C3%A9v%C3%... Example in english : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamonds_Affair http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamonds_Affair
- pja 14y ago
  The UK equivalent would be Private Eye which also carries campaigning investigative journalism alongside the humour and satire.
thomasjoulin 14y ago
While satirical, they specialize in investigations, especially related to insider knowledge and whistle blowers. Only the tone is not serious, the content is alway backed with proofs. Le Monde, an authoritative newspaper as well as others picked up the news too [1] The Google News issue seems a different matter, the billion in question is due to an (alleged) tax fraud using the technique of the Double Irish with a Dutch Sandwich [2] [1] (fr) http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2012/10/30/le-fisc-francais-pourrait-reclamer-un-milliard-d-euros-a-google_1783397_651865.html http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2012/10/30/le-fis... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement
- CaptainZapp 14y ago
  Ok, I stand corrected. I just thought it's a pretty weird source. Especially the "without citing sources" sounded fishy to me.
  - tonfa 14y ago
    They are well known for protecting their sources, and for doing a thorough job in having multiple independent confirmations. The "Canard Enchainé" is one of the oldest french newspaper still in print, and probably the only one not using ads or receiving public help.
- patrickaljord 14y ago
  How is that a tax fraud if it's legal? One of the goal of the EU is the ability to operate a business from one member state to another without any taxation or customs fees. So asking Google to pay these is ridiculous.
  - brazzy 14y ago
    The goal is allow businesses to operate between member states as easily as within them, which includes preventing double taxation. The Double Irish thing is exploiting a loophole created by the combination of such EU regulations and peculiarities of the Durch and Irish tax codes, to effectively avoid taxation entirely, which may not be against the letter of the law, but certainly against its spirit. It's quite possible for such things to be retroactively declared invalid, such as in the case of Hoolywood's "stupid German money": http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/media/2003-08-11-hollywood-germany_x.htm http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/media/2003-08-11-hollyw...
chevreuil 14y ago
Le canard enchainé is highly respected by french reader for its accuracy and independence. It happens that they use a satirical tone, but their investigation are always strongly documented. That's why they are feared by every politician and public figures in general. By the way they are one of the very few french newspaper that make a profit without any financial help from the state (4,81 M Euros profit in 2011, french source : http://www.challenges.fr/media/20120828.AFP6975/le-canard-enchaine-ventes-et-benefices-en-hausse-en-2011.html http://www.challenges.fr/media/20120828.AFP6975/le-canard-en...)

Permit 14y ago

I imagine this is the American equivalent to when Iranian news agencies cite the Onion[1]. [1]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49226254/ns/us_news-weird_news/t/onions-obama-ahmadinejad-poll-cited-fact-iran/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49226254/ns/us_news-weird_news/t...

lifeisstillgood 14y ago
Le Canard is much more like "Private Eye" in the UK - they actually have a tradition of real journalism, sourced facts, and an independance that allows them to shout BS Of course they make most money from jokes, but then investigative journalism seems to mostly be bugging answerphones to find out who you are sleeping with.

emillon 14y ago

It is satirical but very serious and definitely about real news unlike the Onion. In the past it has revealed quite a few scandals. This page lists them (in french, sorry) : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d%27affaires_r%C3%A9v%C3%A9l%C3%A9es_par_le_Canard_encha%C3%AEn%C3%A9 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d%27affaires_r%C3%A9v%C3%... Example in english : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamonds_Affair http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamonds_Affair

pja 14y ago
The UK equivalent would be Private Eye which also carries campaigning investigative journalism alongside the humour and satire.

thomasjoulin 14y ago

While satirical, they specialize in investigations, especially related to insider knowledge and whistle blowers. Only the tone is not serious, the content is alway backed with proofs. Le Monde, an authoritative newspaper as well as others picked up the news too [1] The Google News issue seems a different matter, the billion in question is due to an (alleged) tax fraud using the technique of the Double Irish with a Dutch Sandwich [2] [1] (fr) http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2012/10/30/le-fisc-francais-pourrait-reclamer-un-milliard-d-euros-a-google_1783397_651865.html http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2012/10/30/le-fis... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement

CaptainZapp 14y ago
Ok, I stand corrected. I just thought it's a pretty weird source. Especially the "without citing sources" sounded fishy to me.
- tonfa 14y ago
  They are well known for protecting their sources, and for doing a thorough job in having multiple independent confirmations. The "Canard Enchainé" is one of the oldest french newspaper still in print, and probably the only one not using ads or receiving public help.
patrickaljord 14y ago
How is that a tax fraud if it's legal? One of the goal of the EU is the ability to operate a business from one member state to another without any taxation or customs fees. So asking Google to pay these is ridiculous.
- brazzy 14y ago
  The goal is allow businesses to operate between member states as easily as within them, which includes preventing double taxation. The Double Irish thing is exploiting a loophole created by the combination of such EU regulations and peculiarities of the Durch and Irish tax codes, to effectively avoid taxation entirely, which may not be against the letter of the law, but certainly against its spirit. It's quite possible for such things to be retroactively declared invalid, such as in the case of Hoolywood's "stupid German money": http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/media/2003-08-11-hollywood-germany_x.htm http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/media/2003-08-11-hollyw...

chevreuil 14y ago

Le canard enchainé is highly respected by french reader for its accuracy and independence. It happens that they use a satirical tone, but their investigation are always strongly documented. That's why they are feared by every politician and public figures in general. By the way they are one of the very few french newspaper that make a profit without any financial help from the state (4,81 M Euros profit in 2011, french source : http://www.challenges.fr/media/20120828.AFP6975/le-canard-enchaine-ventes-et-benefices-en-hausse-en-2011.html http://www.challenges.fr/media/20120828.AFP6975/le-canard-en...)