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They can't trust Trump. No one can.

OutOfHere 8mo ago
Trump wants the things I listed -- he has expressed them time and again for anyone remotely willing to listen. If one is trying to negotiate while maintaining a theocracy, then Trump won't listen, but ending the theocracy is one of the listed points, so it's logically consistent.
- guerrilla 8mo ago
  You're not making sense. There's no reason to strike a deal with the US as the US can't be trusted to uphold their deals as they have demonstrated directly to Iran previously and to their own "allies".
  - CamperBob2 8mo ago
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      You should be banned for your personal attack which is in violation of site rules.
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- CamperBob2 8mo ago
  LOL theocracy: https://jonathanlarsen.substack.com/p/us-troops-were-told-iran-war-is-for https://jonathanlarsen.substack.com/p/us-troops-were-told-ir...
JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> They can't trust Trump I mean, the Germans and Japanese and Iraqis probably couldn’t have trusted the U.S. either. They still surrendered because it was better than fighting a futile war. Same here. Iran’s security chief (and, I’m assuming, de facto leader) messaging he’s ready to concede on those points certainly doesn’t put him in a worse position than he is now.
- CamperBob2 8mo ago
  See the link I posted in the other reply. The people we've elected to lead the US are snakes. Even some of the more fanatical Iranians look sane, intelligent, rational, and trustworthy in comparison.
  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    Hyperbole aside, that's irrelevant. Iran doesn't have the option of negotiating with someone else. Their options are to attempt diplomacy or face incremental anihilation as a modern state.
    - CamperBob2 8mo ago
      I don't consider it hyperbole. I grew up with those sorts of people. They are capable of beliefs you wouldn't believe. As for Iran, about all they could have done, in retrospect, was to actually develop nuclear weapons rather than just hemming and hawing and bluffing and stalling for 40+ years. It's amazing that the country that invented chess could blunder that badly.
      - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
        > about all they could have done, in retrospect, was to actually develop nuclear weapons There were so many mis-steps. Iran could have rejected autarky. Constrained the IRGC’s corruption. Not funded proxies that pissed off every one of their neighbors (except for, maybe, Turkmenistan). Not supported Hamas when they decided to deputize a lobotomy ward. Not drip fed Hezbollah’s rockets into Israeli air defenses. Not fired at Israel in a symbolic move in 2024. Not half assed their retaliation in 2025. Not assumed, with full faith, Trump was bluffing and thus not (a) seriously negotiate in Geneva nor (b) bother scattering their navy and air force in anticipation of strikes. I’d actually argue an indigenous nuke was a strategic blunder for Iran. It cost them their economy and moral standing. Maybe pursuing Russia’s nuclear umbrella would have been a smarter move.

Trump wants the things I listed -- he has expressed them time and again for anyone remotely willing to listen. If one is trying to negotiate while maintaining a theocracy, then Trump won't listen, but ending the theocracy is one of the listed points, so it's logically consistent.

guerrilla 8mo ago
You're not making sense. There's no reason to strike a deal with the US as the US can't be trusted to uphold their deals as they have demonstrated directly to Iran previously and to their own "allies".
- CamperBob2 8mo ago
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  - OutOfHere 8mo ago
    You should be banned for your personal attack which is in violation of site rules.
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CamperBob2 8mo ago
LOL theocracy: https://jonathanlarsen.substack.com/p/us-troops-were-told-iran-war-is-for https://jonathanlarsen.substack.com/p/us-troops-were-told-ir...

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago

> They can't trust Trump I mean, the Germans and Japanese and Iraqis probably couldn’t have trusted the U.S. either. They still surrendered because it was better than fighting a futile war. Same here. Iran’s security chief (and, I’m assuming, de facto leader) messaging he’s ready to concede on those points certainly doesn’t put him in a worse position than he is now.

CamperBob2 8mo ago
See the link I posted in the other reply. The people we've elected to lead the US are snakes. Even some of the more fanatical Iranians look sane, intelligent, rational, and trustworthy in comparison.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  Hyperbole aside, that's irrelevant. Iran doesn't have the option of negotiating with someone else. Their options are to attempt diplomacy or face incremental anihilation as a modern state.
  - CamperBob2 8mo ago
    I don't consider it hyperbole. I grew up with those sorts of people. They are capable of beliefs you wouldn't believe. As for Iran, about all they could have done, in retrospect, was to actually develop nuclear weapons rather than just hemming and hawing and bluffing and stalling for 40+ years. It's amazing that the country that invented chess could blunder that badly.
    - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
      > about all they could have done, in retrospect, was to actually develop nuclear weapons There were so many mis-steps. Iran could have rejected autarky. Constrained the IRGC’s corruption. Not funded proxies that pissed off every one of their neighbors (except for, maybe, Turkmenistan). Not supported Hamas when they decided to deputize a lobotomy ward. Not drip fed Hezbollah’s rockets into Israeli air defenses. Not fired at Israel in a symbolic move in 2024. Not half assed their retaliation in 2025. Not assumed, with full faith, Trump was bluffing and thus not (a) seriously negotiate in Geneva nor (b) bother scattering their navy and air force in anticipation of strikes. I’d actually argue an indigenous nuke was a strategic blunder for Iran. It cost them their economy and moral standing. Maybe pursuing Russia’s nuclear umbrella would have been a smarter move.