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Permanent DST being the "wrong" choice is your opinion, and a minority one. Certainly doesn't make those who disagree "morons".

fc417fc802 7mo ago
Indeed, it is my opinion. It's not in the minority so much as it runs counter to what lobbyists with vested interests have loudly promoted. Most people haven't given the matter much thought and don't have an opinion on it (let alone an informed one). "Morons" was an overly dramatic way of putting it but it is very clearly the technically deficient choice as will be apparent to anyone who bothers to consult the history books. The US already attempted permanent DST in 1974 but quickly repealed it. Russia similarly tried it out from 2011 to 2014 before switching to permanent standard time instead. The UK also tried it at one point before abandoning it. Mexico might have tried it for the longest, from 1996 until 2022 when they too switched to permanent standard time. (Actually I'm unclear why Mexico gave it up. They're far enough south that the difference between the two shouldn't be particularly impactful.) The correct answer here is obvious. (This being HN I guess personal political rants aren't really the thing to do so I should at least link to some actual literature on the topic. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physiology/articles/10.3389/fphys.2019.00944/full https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physiology/articles/10....)
- chupasaurus 7mo ago
  I can attest that switch to DST was felt as a curse during winters in Moscow.
throw0101c 7mo ago
> Permanent DST being the "wrong" choice is your opinion, and a minority one. It is the majority opinion of people that study chronobiology (circadian rhythms) and sleep researchers, as issued via their professional societies: * https://srbr.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/SRBR-Statement-on-DST.pdf https://srbr.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/SRBR-Statement-o... * http://www.chronobiocanada.com/official-statements http://www.chronobiocanada.com/official-statements * https://sleepresearchsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/zsac236.pdf https://sleepresearchsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/... * https://jcsm.aasm.org/doi/10.5664/jcsm.8780 https://jcsm.aasm.org/doi/10.5664/jcsm.8780 * https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2019.00944/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2019.0094... * https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35382618/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35382618/ * https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0748730419854197 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/07487304198541... * https://www.ama-assn.org/public-health/prevention-wellness/sleep-doctors-orders-use-standard-time-365-days-year https://www.ama-assn.org/public-health/prevention-wellness/s... * https://esrs.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/To_the_EU_Commission_on_DST.pdf https://esrs.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/To_the_EU_Commiss... From a public health perspective, all-year DST is not good, and all-year Standard Time is what should be done.
sampo 7mo ago
> Certainly doesn't make those who disagree "morons". But it makes them anti-science.

fc417fc802 7mo ago

Indeed, it is my opinion. It's not in the minority so much as it runs counter to what lobbyists with vested interests have loudly promoted. Most people haven't given the matter much thought and don't have an opinion on it (let alone an informed one). "Morons" was an overly dramatic way of putting it but it is very clearly the technically deficient choice as will be apparent to anyone who bothers to consult the history books. The US already attempted permanent DST in 1974 but quickly repealed it. Russia similarly tried it out from 2011 to 2014 before switching to permanent standard time instead. The UK also tried it at one point before abandoning it. Mexico might have tried it for the longest, from 1996 until 2022 when they too switched to permanent standard time. (Actually I'm unclear why Mexico gave it up. They're far enough south that the difference between the two shouldn't be particularly impactful.) The correct answer here is obvious. (This being HN I guess personal political rants aren't really the thing to do so I should at least link to some actual literature on the topic. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physiology/articles/10.3389/fphys.2019.00944/full https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physiology/articles/10....)

chupasaurus 7mo ago
I can attest that switch to DST was felt as a curse during winters in Moscow.

throw0101c 7mo ago

> Permanent DST being the "wrong" choice is your opinion, and a minority one. It is the majority opinion of people that study chronobiology (circadian rhythms) and sleep researchers, as issued via their professional societies: * https://srbr.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/SRBR-Statement-on-DST.pdf https://srbr.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/SRBR-Statement-o... * http://www.chronobiocanada.com/official-statements http://www.chronobiocanada.com/official-statements * https://sleepresearchsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/zsac236.pdf https://sleepresearchsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/... * https://jcsm.aasm.org/doi/10.5664/jcsm.8780 https://jcsm.aasm.org/doi/10.5664/jcsm.8780 * https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2019.00944/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2019.0094... * https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35382618/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35382618/ * https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0748730419854197 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/07487304198541... * https://www.ama-assn.org/public-health/prevention-wellness/sleep-doctors-orders-use-standard-time-365-days-year https://www.ama-assn.org/public-health/prevention-wellness/s... * https://esrs.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/To_the_EU_Commission_on_DST.pdf https://esrs.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/To_the_EU_Commiss... From a public health perspective, all-year DST is not good, and all-year Standard Time is what should be done.

sampo 7mo ago

> Certainly doesn't make those who disagree "morons". But it makes them anti-science.