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> winter just doesn't have enough daylight to think you can get everything done with sunlight That's the perfect way to say it. The other piece that a lot of

> winter just doesn't have enough daylight to think you can get everything done with sunlight That's the perfect way to say it. The other piece that a lot of people are missing is the whole larks (early risers) vs owls (late risers) divide. I think the best illustration of that is to ask, if you got your pick, which shift you'd take, based solely on your own body and habits: 8-4, 9-5, or 10-6 (or perhaps even further in one direction)? My guess is that the answer to that question predicts your desire for Standard or Daylight time pretty well.

bryanlarsen 7mo ago
My guess is that both owls & larks get their preference logically backwards. My guess is that owls will say they prefer permanent daylight time and larks will say they prefer permanent standard time. But their revealed preference is the opposite -- owls wake up well after sunrise and go to bed well after sunset. Yet permanent daylight time will shift it so they'll be waking up closer to sunrise and going to bed closer to sunset. Larks revealed preference is more like permanent daylight time yet I think they're more likely to say they want permanent standard time.
- Levitz 7mo ago
  I'm definitely in the night owl camp and I'd much rather have sunlight in the mornings because I already am going to have trouble waking up each morning, making it so I can't even set my circadian rhythm properly is just adding insult to injury. It amazes me that we actually argue about this based on vibes. We know that people are better off the closer the time between waking up and sunrise.
- bluGill 7mo ago
  for both those groups it doesn't matter because society is going to change times. That is their sleep habits are not driven by the sun but by the activites they do in society and those will change too. Maybe I'm wrong, but that is what I evpect to see.
1718627440 7mo ago
10-4 obviously.
- exmadscientist 7mo ago
  Okay, yes, but not helpful here: that's a different thread.

bryanlarsen 7mo ago

My guess is that both owls & larks get their preference logically backwards. My guess is that owls will say they prefer permanent daylight time and larks will say they prefer permanent standard time. But their revealed preference is the opposite -- owls wake up well after sunrise and go to bed well after sunset. Yet permanent daylight time will shift it so they'll be waking up closer to sunrise and going to bed closer to sunset. Larks revealed preference is more like permanent daylight time yet I think they're more likely to say they want permanent standard time.

Levitz 7mo ago
I'm definitely in the night owl camp and I'd much rather have sunlight in the mornings because I already am going to have trouble waking up each morning, making it so I can't even set my circadian rhythm properly is just adding insult to injury. It amazes me that we actually argue about this based on vibes. We know that people are better off the closer the time between waking up and sunrise.
bluGill 7mo ago
for both those groups it doesn't matter because society is going to change times. That is their sleep habits are not driven by the sun but by the activites they do in society and those will change too. Maybe I'm wrong, but that is what I evpect to see.

1718627440 7mo ago

10-4 obviously.

exmadscientist 7mo ago
Okay, yes, but not helpful here: that's a different thread.