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That wasn't modern when they released it in 2020. Jolla chose a little more pragmatism for their hardware in the hope that they actually sell phones to other pe

That wasn't modern when they released it in 2020. Jolla chose a little more pragmatism for their hardware in the hope that they actually sell phones to other people than 100% open-source purists. I find it funny when dudes like you go all "well awkshwally" on them...

seba_dos1 7mo ago
It sure was, it's a 2019 design with a 2018 SoC - but you may want to read the comments you reply to again, as that's hardly the point.
- mariusor 7mo ago
  What I was trying to tell you with my original reply to you is that Jolla chose a different point on the free/pramatic curve of available SoCs. They selected a phone that's more likely to be used by average people rather than a fully open one. (You can still see in this very thread, complains about the high price for what it offers, showing they haven't fully succeeded, at that.) Pointing out that they still rely on Android drivers for booting the thing is a little tone-deaf from my perspective when they're basically choosing a different path towards a similar goal to Purism and other alternative mobile vendors: higher availability of non Google, non Apple mobile devices. Perfect is the enemy of good and all that. And like I explained the reason for their choice is not nefarious but a pragmatic one.
  - seba_dos1 7mo ago
    And what I was trying to tell you is that they're free to choose whatever point on the curve they want and pursue that as long as they don't misrepresent what they're doing. What is "full-stack alternative" supposed to mean when it relies on the very thing it's supposed to be an alternative to? What is Purism's effort then, "even fuller-stack alternative"? Words have meanings.
    - mariusor 7mo ago
      "full-stack" is the word used by OP, not Jolla.
Hackbraten 7mo ago
I use my Librem 5 as a daily driver, and I’m certainly not an open source purist. What I do care about is that my phone isn’t going to run into obsolescence a few years down the road (due to hard kernel forks and YOLO’ed device drivers that are not going to be updated for newer kernels).
- mrbn100ful 7mo ago
  How is it nowadays ? I can't find recent demos of the phone, everything is a few years old on YouTube now, and I know the device is still in development. How usable the browser and camera are ? Can you get a full day of battery ?
  - seba_dos1 7mo ago
    I type this in a browser on the phone. Camera: https://social.librem.one/@dos/tagged/shotonlibrem5 https://social.librem.one/@dos/tagged/shotonlibrem5 Battery: I unplugged it from the charger 10 hours ago, it's currently at 55%. Typically it's up to 22 hours when suspended, up to 12 hours when idling without suspend and about 3-5 hours of active use depending on what you're doing. Could be better, but can be worked with.

seba_dos1 7mo ago

It sure was, it's a 2019 design with a 2018 SoC - but you may want to read the comments you reply to again, as that's hardly the point.

mariusor 7mo ago
What I was trying to tell you with my original reply to you is that Jolla chose a different point on the free/pramatic curve of available SoCs. They selected a phone that's more likely to be used by average people rather than a fully open one. (You can still see in this very thread, complains about the high price for what it offers, showing they haven't fully succeeded, at that.) Pointing out that they still rely on Android drivers for booting the thing is a little tone-deaf from my perspective when they're basically choosing a different path towards a similar goal to Purism and other alternative mobile vendors: higher availability of non Google, non Apple mobile devices. Perfect is the enemy of good and all that. And like I explained the reason for their choice is not nefarious but a pragmatic one.
- seba_dos1 7mo ago
  And what I was trying to tell you is that they're free to choose whatever point on the curve they want and pursue that as long as they don't misrepresent what they're doing. What is "full-stack alternative" supposed to mean when it relies on the very thing it's supposed to be an alternative to? What is Purism's effort then, "even fuller-stack alternative"? Words have meanings.
  - mariusor 7mo ago
    "full-stack" is the word used by OP, not Jolla.

Hackbraten 7mo ago

I use my Librem 5 as a daily driver, and I’m certainly not an open source purist. What I do care about is that my phone isn’t going to run into obsolescence a few years down the road (due to hard kernel forks and YOLO’ed device drivers that are not going to be updated for newer kernels).

mrbn100ful 7mo ago
How is it nowadays ? I can't find recent demos of the phone, everything is a few years old on YouTube now, and I know the device is still in development. How usable the browser and camera are ? Can you get a full day of battery ?
- seba_dos1 7mo ago
  I type this in a browser on the phone. Camera: https://social.librem.one/@dos/tagged/shotonlibrem5 https://social.librem.one/@dos/tagged/shotonlibrem5 Battery: I unplugged it from the charger 10 hours ago, it's currently at 55%. Typically it's up to 22 hours when suspended, up to 12 hours when idling without suspend and about 3-5 hours of active use depending on what you're doing. Could be better, but can be worked with.