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Direct action is literally their policy

cucumber3732842 7mo ago
And in this case the jury found them on the hook to pay for the results. I'm not sure what they were expecting. Direct action agains an oil pipeline in ND is gonna go over about as well as direct action tourism in Florida. If by some miracle you get a judge sympathetic to your cause you won't get a jury that is. The local people want this industry, generally speaking.
- RickJWagner 7mo ago
  That’s very true. The frozen plains of North Dakota aren’t worth much without oil. With oil, they provide good paying jobs to people who otherwise won’t have them. I lived in the next state south for many years. Oil is definitely popular with the people of North Dakota.
  - ckrapu 7mo ago
    With all due respect, I disagree. I loved the winters. I loved the people. I loved how its natural beauty was subtle and rewarded the patient, unlike El Capitan or the Black Hills. The economy was fine before oil appeared.
    - NewJazz 7mo ago
      https://www.dmr.nd.gov/dmr/news/studies-underscore-oil-and-gas-industrys-significant-impact-north-dakotas-economy-communities https://www.dmr.nd.gov/dmr/news/studies-underscore-oil-and-g...
      - ckrapu 7mo ago
        My point is not that oil fails to generate revenue. Clearly it is a lucrative business. Instead, my claim is that the state economy was remarkably robust, productive, healthy, and well-optimized for middle class quality of life pre-2007. Does it sound surprising to you that it was perfectly normal to rent a perfect acceptable two bedroom apartment in a safe town on the interstate for $300 a month and still easily find dignified, decent paying jobs without 1000 applications? I've lived in many cities and work in tech now, and I can confidently say that, as it concerns the professions and jobs that unambiguously sustain and improve life, no community on the planet was more productive than my home state. There is more to the story than some shale.
      - deaux 7mo ago
        "Studies underscore cocaine's significant impact on Colombia's economy" Snort another line while you're at it.
        NewJazz 7mo ago
        I mean... You're not wrong.
    - cucumber3732842 7mo ago
      >I loved the winters. I loved the people. My pet theory based on personal observation is that there's a strong inverse correlation between nature trying to destroy your shit and insufferable people.
    - RickJWagner 7mo ago
      I see you speak in the past tense. So you’ve moved away, in spite of your love for the winters?

And in this case the jury found them on the hook to pay for the results. I'm not sure what they were expecting. Direct action agains an oil pipeline in ND is gonna go over about as well as direct action tourism in Florida. If by some miracle you get a judge sympathetic to your cause you won't get a jury that is. The local people want this industry, generally speaking.

RickJWagner 7mo ago
That’s very true. The frozen plains of North Dakota aren’t worth much without oil. With oil, they provide good paying jobs to people who otherwise won’t have them. I lived in the next state south for many years. Oil is definitely popular with the people of North Dakota.
- ckrapu 7mo ago
  With all due respect, I disagree. I loved the winters. I loved the people. I loved how its natural beauty was subtle and rewarded the patient, unlike El Capitan or the Black Hills. The economy was fine before oil appeared.
  - NewJazz 7mo ago
    https://www.dmr.nd.gov/dmr/news/studies-underscore-oil-and-gas-industrys-significant-impact-north-dakotas-economy-communities https://www.dmr.nd.gov/dmr/news/studies-underscore-oil-and-g...
    - ckrapu 7mo ago
      My point is not that oil fails to generate revenue. Clearly it is a lucrative business. Instead, my claim is that the state economy was remarkably robust, productive, healthy, and well-optimized for middle class quality of life pre-2007. Does it sound surprising to you that it was perfectly normal to rent a perfect acceptable two bedroom apartment in a safe town on the interstate for $300 a month and still easily find dignified, decent paying jobs without 1000 applications? I've lived in many cities and work in tech now, and I can confidently say that, as it concerns the professions and jobs that unambiguously sustain and improve life, no community on the planet was more productive than my home state. There is more to the story than some shale.
    - deaux 7mo ago
      "Studies underscore cocaine's significant impact on Colombia's economy" Snort another line while you're at it.
      - NewJazz 7mo ago
        I mean... You're not wrong.
  - cucumber3732842 7mo ago
    >I loved the winters. I loved the people. My pet theory based on personal observation is that there's a strong inverse correlation between nature trying to destroy your shit and insufferable people.
  - RickJWagner 7mo ago
    I see you speak in the past tense. So you’ve moved away, in spite of your love for the winters?