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God, maybe I could buy if it it came with significant work to repair US education and investment in a domestic science workforce, but unfortunately in the US, t

God, maybe I could buy if it it came with significant work to repair US education and investment in a domestic science workforce, but unfortunately in the US, these nationalist waves have to also come with a strong air of anti-intellectualism.

terminalshort 7mo ago
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- epgui 7mo ago
  That's a completely non-sensical take.
- 5upplied_demand 7mo ago
  Isn't this the type of attitude that is giving cover to the types of actions the OP mentions, i.e. throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
  - terminalshort 7mo ago
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    - 5upplied_demand 7mo ago
      > we are importing foreigners to paper over the fact that we have ruined our own education system. Are you familiar with any of these scientists we "imported" during the 1930s? Was that also a sign of a failed education system? - Albert Einstein - Enrico Fermi - Leo Szilard - Hans Bethe - Edward Teller - John von Neumann - Eugene Wigner - Felix Bloch
      - bilbo0s 7mo ago
        Yeah, that's the thing, we've always imported scientists. So I'm unsure why HN User terminalshort is trying to connect this tendency to bad education? From literally the very beginning of the US we have engaged in this practice. I think Priestley himself came here somewhere around 1793?
    - epgui 7mo ago
      You literally wrote: "Some anti-intellectualism might be a good thing". It doesn't get any more anti-intellectual than that, you put it down yourself in blackletter.
- Retric 7mo ago
  It’s not the intellectuals who are pushing standards down. High standards inherently reject people, that’s inherent to the concept. The push for ever higher percentage of the population to get degrees means the average student keeps getting worse, as fewer of them are really seeking to be educated vs get a piece of paper. Public schools are pushed to raise graduation rates due to political pressure and higher education is ultimately a business and then responds to those forces. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Educational_Attainment_in_the_United_States_2009.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Educatio...
  - terminalshort 7mo ago
    You are 100% correct, but it is absolutely a bunch of useless intellectuals and their endless yapping who have pushed this crap on us. You are confusing intellectuals with smart people.
    - Retric 7mo ago
      HR can very quickly sort people by levels of education. Most companies don’t give a fuck what someone learned in their history degree, but know on average they’re more reliable than someone that dropped out of college. Some college still puts people in a better bucket than high school graduates, which is a better bucket than high school dropouts. Which is why the general population is trying to get that piece of paper. The day HR stops caring is the day this changes.
    - epgui 7mo ago
      It sounds like you have your own definition of "intellectuals", which appears to mean pretty much the opposite of what it usually means.
      - terminalshort 7mo ago
        I know exactly what "intellectual" means. It's someone who has spent years obtaining credentials in an economically useless subject and looks down their nose at people who would lower themselves to actually do practical work. A brilliant mechanic who can fix anything and has made millions running his business would never be called an intellectual, but someone serving coffee with a phd in English literature would.
Tangurena2 7mo ago
Also, obedience to "right think". Which is why the need to force social media billionaires to tell the feds who is "a political enemy."
d3rockk 7mo ago
It's wild how the President literally said, "I love the poorly educated." It turns out that when you treat a PhD like a deep-state conspiracy and a high school diploma like a Nobel Prize, you just get a country that tries to fix its power grid with thoughts, prayers, and a sharpie.
- ornornor 7mo ago
  Idiocracy was a documentary sent to us from the future.
  - daheza 7mo ago
    In Idiocracy the president hires the smartest guy and is still trying to fix his country rather then intentionally destroy it.
  - lofaszvanitt 7mo ago
    We haven't reached the Gatorade event horizon, yet.
- SlightlyLeftPad 7mo ago
  Where does the FIFA peace prize come in here?
- TitaRusell 7mo ago
  Unfortunately you run into the same problem as Mao's China did after the Cultural Revolution.

terminalshort 7mo ago

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epgui 7mo ago
That's a completely non-sensical take.
5upplied_demand 7mo ago
Isn't this the type of attitude that is giving cover to the types of actions the OP mentions, i.e. throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
- terminalshort 7mo ago
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  - 5upplied_demand 7mo ago
    > we are importing foreigners to paper over the fact that we have ruined our own education system. Are you familiar with any of these scientists we "imported" during the 1930s? Was that also a sign of a failed education system? - Albert Einstein - Enrico Fermi - Leo Szilard - Hans Bethe - Edward Teller - John von Neumann - Eugene Wigner - Felix Bloch
    - bilbo0s 7mo ago
      Yeah, that's the thing, we've always imported scientists. So I'm unsure why HN User terminalshort is trying to connect this tendency to bad education? From literally the very beginning of the US we have engaged in this practice. I think Priestley himself came here somewhere around 1793?
  - epgui 7mo ago
    You literally wrote: "Some anti-intellectualism might be a good thing". It doesn't get any more anti-intellectual than that, you put it down yourself in blackletter.
Retric 7mo ago
It’s not the intellectuals who are pushing standards down. High standards inherently reject people, that’s inherent to the concept. The push for ever higher percentage of the population to get degrees means the average student keeps getting worse, as fewer of them are really seeking to be educated vs get a piece of paper. Public schools are pushed to raise graduation rates due to political pressure and higher education is ultimately a business and then responds to those forces. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Educational_Attainment_in_the_United_States_2009.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Educatio...
- terminalshort 7mo ago
  You are 100% correct, but it is absolutely a bunch of useless intellectuals and their endless yapping who have pushed this crap on us. You are confusing intellectuals with smart people.
  - Retric 7mo ago
    HR can very quickly sort people by levels of education. Most companies don’t give a fuck what someone learned in their history degree, but know on average they’re more reliable than someone that dropped out of college. Some college still puts people in a better bucket than high school graduates, which is a better bucket than high school dropouts. Which is why the general population is trying to get that piece of paper. The day HR stops caring is the day this changes.
  - epgui 7mo ago
    It sounds like you have your own definition of "intellectuals", which appears to mean pretty much the opposite of what it usually means.
    - terminalshort 7mo ago
      I know exactly what "intellectual" means. It's someone who has spent years obtaining credentials in an economically useless subject and looks down their nose at people who would lower themselves to actually do practical work. A brilliant mechanic who can fix anything and has made millions running his business would never be called an intellectual, but someone serving coffee with a phd in English literature would.

Tangurena2 7mo ago

Also, obedience to "right think". Which is why the need to force social media billionaires to tell the feds who is "a political enemy."

d3rockk 7mo ago

It's wild how the President literally said, "I love the poorly educated." It turns out that when you treat a PhD like a deep-state conspiracy and a high school diploma like a Nobel Prize, you just get a country that tries to fix its power grid with thoughts, prayers, and a sharpie.

ornornor 7mo ago
Idiocracy was a documentary sent to us from the future.
- daheza 7mo ago
  In Idiocracy the president hires the smartest guy and is still trying to fix his country rather then intentionally destroy it.
- lofaszvanitt 7mo ago
  We haven't reached the Gatorade event horizon, yet.
SlightlyLeftPad 7mo ago
Where does the FIFA peace prize come in here?
TitaRusell 7mo ago
Unfortunately you run into the same problem as Mao's China did after the Cultural Revolution.