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Then better stop them before it comes to that stage.

epolanski 8mo ago
How? I'm European, and from my point of view: - despite the current executive and its lackeys clearly stating they were going to do exactly what's happening (the dismantling of institutions, the violent, word-wise, targeting of any criticism, the tariffs, etc). - despite the open attack to US democracy on January 6th 2021 Americans voted for all of this to happen. What's happening isn't exposing a fault in a particular individual, that's way too convenient. Not only they voted all of this, but keep believing this paranormal constitutional nonsense where winner-takes-all elections where you rule under no oversight, you have no opposition, and don't even depend on your own party support is actually a sane democratic system. Of all the countries that slid in authoritarianism during the last 4 decades (from the Philippines to Russia, from Nicaragua to Belarus, etc) not one was a parliamentary republic. All of them, literally all, where presidential republics.
- donkeybeer 8mo ago
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  - dang 8mo ago
    You've been breaking the site guidelines quite badly in your recent posts. Can you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop this? Since "by whatever means necessary" is usually a phrase by which people advocate violence, that's particularly not ok here.
    - donkeybeer 8mo ago
      Sorry, I deliberately left it open as while violence is a valid solution in extreme cases, but I meant it more as using all the faculties available to us. In any case, I will try avoiding statements that could be seen as violating site rules.
- butterbomb 8mo ago
  > Not only they voted all of this, but keep believing this paranormal constitutional nonsense where winner-takes-all elections where you rule under no oversight, you have no opposition, and don't even depend on your own party support is actually a sane democratic system. Honestly I’ve been filled schadenfreude with as the American civic religion collapse. Even the right is giving it up as they view it as too obstructionist. The silver lining in all this is that the American people might come out a bit less retarded. It’s been fascinating to see the explosion of political thought amongst Americans in the last few years.
  - donkeybeer 8mo ago
    The right have always had racetardism in them, they are just more blatant about it now.
    - butterbomb 8mo ago
      It’s less about any of that. It’s more that I’m glad I won’t have to hear them deify the constitution anymore because they don’t care for it much anymore.
      - 5upplied_demand 8mo ago
        I don't believe that will happen. The Constitution will continue to be paraded as a tool to attack perceived enemies and protect allies. We already see it all over the place when MAGA talks about the 1st and 2nd Amendments. The hypocrisy doesn't matter to them because it isn't (and never was) about the "ideals" of the Constitution, it is about punishing enemies.
      - epistasis 8mo ago
        For the political movement in control, the law and the constitution exists as a tool to protect the in group, and to restrict the outgroup. That's why they get so upset at the elected veterans that did a simple video saying "the law says you must disobey unlawful orders," the reason that such a statement is viewed literally as "treasonous" and worthy of "hanging" according to Trump. Using the law to restrict those in power goes against their fundamental understanding of law. There is no hypocrisy, just a completely different view of what is criminal: namely the other guys are all criminals.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 8mo ago
  >Americans voted for all of this to happen. We did. And if anyone would stop to actually analyze it, instead of just insinuating that we're all yucky poopooheads for doing so (in the futile attempt to shame us into stopping), they might come to understand why. Whatever the alternative is to how we're voting, as exemplified by Europe, we don't want it. Maybe there are more options besides those two, but no one's offered those or even described what they could be. Europe certainly hasn't. >not one was a parliamentary republic. And thank god that we're not one then. We'd truly be hopeless.
  - donkeybeer 8mo ago
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- pacija 8mo ago
  Serbia used to be parliamentary republic. Nominally it stil is. In fact it is currently governed by SNS, former political party turned criminal organization.

How? I'm European, and from my point of view: - despite the current executive and its lackeys clearly stating they were going to do exactly what's happening (the dismantling of institutions, the violent, word-wise, targeting of any criticism, the tariffs, etc). - despite the open attack to US democracy on January 6th 2021 Americans voted for all of this to happen. What's happening isn't exposing a fault in a particular individual, that's way too convenient. Not only they voted all of this, but keep believing this paranormal constitutional nonsense where winner-takes-all elections where you rule under no oversight, you have no opposition, and don't even depend on your own party support is actually a sane democratic system. Of all the countries that slid in authoritarianism during the last 4 decades (from the Philippines to Russia, from Nicaragua to Belarus, etc) not one was a parliamentary republic. All of them, literally all, where presidential republics.

donkeybeer 8mo ago
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- dang 8mo ago
  You've been breaking the site guidelines quite badly in your recent posts. Can you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop this? Since "by whatever means necessary" is usually a phrase by which people advocate violence, that's particularly not ok here.
  - donkeybeer 8mo ago
    Sorry, I deliberately left it open as while violence is a valid solution in extreme cases, but I meant it more as using all the faculties available to us. In any case, I will try avoiding statements that could be seen as violating site rules.
butterbomb 8mo ago
> Not only they voted all of this, but keep believing this paranormal constitutional nonsense where winner-takes-all elections where you rule under no oversight, you have no opposition, and don't even depend on your own party support is actually a sane democratic system. Honestly I’ve been filled schadenfreude with as the American civic religion collapse. Even the right is giving it up as they view it as too obstructionist. The silver lining in all this is that the American people might come out a bit less retarded. It’s been fascinating to see the explosion of political thought amongst Americans in the last few years.
- donkeybeer 8mo ago
  The right have always had racetardism in them, they are just more blatant about it now.
  - butterbomb 8mo ago
    It’s less about any of that. It’s more that I’m glad I won’t have to hear them deify the constitution anymore because they don’t care for it much anymore.
    - 5upplied_demand 8mo ago
      I don't believe that will happen. The Constitution will continue to be paraded as a tool to attack perceived enemies and protect allies. We already see it all over the place when MAGA talks about the 1st and 2nd Amendments. The hypocrisy doesn't matter to them because it isn't (and never was) about the "ideals" of the Constitution, it is about punishing enemies.
    - epistasis 8mo ago
      For the political movement in control, the law and the constitution exists as a tool to protect the in group, and to restrict the outgroup. That's why they get so upset at the elected veterans that did a simple video saying "the law says you must disobey unlawful orders," the reason that such a statement is viewed literally as "treasonous" and worthy of "hanging" according to Trump. Using the law to restrict those in power goes against their fundamental understanding of law. There is no hypocrisy, just a completely different view of what is criminal: namely the other guys are all criminals.
NoMoreNicksLeft 8mo ago
>Americans voted for all of this to happen. We did. And if anyone would stop to actually analyze it, instead of just insinuating that we're all yucky poopooheads for doing so (in the futile attempt to shame us into stopping), they might come to understand why. Whatever the alternative is to how we're voting, as exemplified by Europe, we don't want it. Maybe there are more options besides those two, but no one's offered those or even described what they could be. Europe certainly hasn't. >not one was a parliamentary republic. And thank god that we're not one then. We'd truly be hopeless.
- donkeybeer 8mo ago
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pacija 8mo ago
Serbia used to be parliamentary republic. Nominally it stil is. In fact it is currently governed by SNS, former political party turned criminal organization.