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Here in Canada when the new CPC took power its leader PM Harper muzzled scientists from speaking about most things but most of all anything about climate change

Here in Canada when the new CPC took power its leader PM Harper muzzled scientists from speaking about most things but most of all anything about climate change. It also destroyed climate data claiming the ledgers were old fashioned, but they were the only copies. The CPC political are the old centre-right PC party that combined with more right secessionist and (evangelical) Christian political parties. Harper is still lurking in the shadows and pulling strings decade after being ousted as Prime Minister.

e40 7mo ago
> Harper is still lurking in the shadows and pulling strings decade after being ousted as Prime Minister. Do you mean he still has an impact or he is actively impacting things now?
goku12 7mo ago
> It also destroyed climate data claiming the ledgers were old fashioned, but they were the only copies. I don't know how long ago the library of Alexandria was burned down. But what I do know is that we never learn the lesson. It's rather stupid to store public research data (i.e, excluding classified info) at a single location. There are any number of unpredictable future scenarios that can lead to this same unfortunate outcome. Scientists and politicians should work together and agree to store and host such research data in multiple countries, including with rival nations. That should make it a lot more resilient against such eventualities. It won't cause any security risk. After all, you were going to publish it anyway. Why waste the information worth a lot of money and effort? But instead of that, many governments and greedy corporations go after independent groups who do exactly that - scihub and internet archive, for example. We as a species possess the stupidity of stubbornly avoiding the obvious right path.
- bluegatty 7mo ago
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  - goku12 7mo ago
    > Comparing a government intervening on data they challenged with one of their own agencies to the 'burning of Alexandria' is beyond delusion. holy cow. I'm talking about precious data being destroyed by anti-intellectuals because their predecessors didn't foresee that possibility. There are no delusions here. You're just being unimaginative, hyperbolic and histrionic. > For gosh sake, the internet is public, nothing is being truly erased, published papers will be there for literally all of time. The publishing industry may control some distribution for a very short period of time but it's not relvant in the grand scheme Is that what you see happening here? Didn't the Internet Archive race to save the data from the websites of US research institutions before they were deleted by the current regime? They could have done it with ease if they had started as soon as the election results were out. This is not to say that IA is inefficient. It's to point out that while the Internet has a great preservation ability, it's not perfect and hardly always the case. There are a lot of data that aren't sufficiently protected. Instead of trying to even understand that possibility, you go on a shallow and low-effort dismissal with excess drama. Is that the quality of discussion now?
    - bluegatty 7mo ago
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      - goku12 7mo ago
        > The is 'delusional' - or pick a more specifically appropriate term. If drawing parallels from history is being delusional, the entire world is. Comparisons may not match in scale but the intent is the key. And the intent is absolutely clear here. That's why I said that you are 'histrionic' and 'hyperbolic'. You're being dramatic in your over exaggerated outrage at normal things people do. > If nobody of 7 billion earth want to spend a few pennies to save something, then it's obviously not valuable in any way to anyone. 'Nobody cares' doesn't equate to 'not worth it'. That's false equivalence. Climate data especially. Who knows what's backed up and what's not? That's why I said it has to be collaboratively backed up and hosted. Instead you create this fanciful scenario that doesn't exist, in order to reach incoherent conclusions that you use to perform your over-the-top drama.
bluegatty 7mo ago
This is not what happened, please. Some scientists working for government agencies had their public statements reviewed. And the bit about collusion with secessionists ... while be ultra nationalist - is conspiratorial and nonsensical.

e40 7mo ago

> Harper is still lurking in the shadows and pulling strings decade after being ousted as Prime Minister. Do you mean he still has an impact or he is actively impacting things now?

goku12 7mo ago

> It also destroyed climate data claiming the ledgers were old fashioned, but they were the only copies. I don't know how long ago the library of Alexandria was burned down. But what I do know is that we never learn the lesson. It's rather stupid to store public research data (i.e, excluding classified info) at a single location. There are any number of unpredictable future scenarios that can lead to this same unfortunate outcome. Scientists and politicians should work together and agree to store and host such research data in multiple countries, including with rival nations. That should make it a lot more resilient against such eventualities. It won't cause any security risk. After all, you were going to publish it anyway. Why waste the information worth a lot of money and effort? But instead of that, many governments and greedy corporations go after independent groups who do exactly that - scihub and internet archive, for example. We as a species possess the stupidity of stubbornly avoiding the obvious right path.

bluegatty 7mo ago
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- goku12 7mo ago
  > Comparing a government intervening on data they challenged with one of their own agencies to the 'burning of Alexandria' is beyond delusion. holy cow. I'm talking about precious data being destroyed by anti-intellectuals because their predecessors didn't foresee that possibility. There are no delusions here. You're just being unimaginative, hyperbolic and histrionic. > For gosh sake, the internet is public, nothing is being truly erased, published papers will be there for literally all of time. The publishing industry may control some distribution for a very short period of time but it's not relvant in the grand scheme Is that what you see happening here? Didn't the Internet Archive race to save the data from the websites of US research institutions before they were deleted by the current regime? They could have done it with ease if they had started as soon as the election results were out. This is not to say that IA is inefficient. It's to point out that while the Internet has a great preservation ability, it's not perfect and hardly always the case. There are a lot of data that aren't sufficiently protected. Instead of trying to even understand that possibility, you go on a shallow and low-effort dismissal with excess drama. Is that the quality of discussion now?
  - bluegatty 7mo ago
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    - goku12 7mo ago
      > The is 'delusional' - or pick a more specifically appropriate term. If drawing parallels from history is being delusional, the entire world is. Comparisons may not match in scale but the intent is the key. And the intent is absolutely clear here. That's why I said that you are 'histrionic' and 'hyperbolic'. You're being dramatic in your over exaggerated outrage at normal things people do. > If nobody of 7 billion earth want to spend a few pennies to save something, then it's obviously not valuable in any way to anyone. 'Nobody cares' doesn't equate to 'not worth it'. That's false equivalence. Climate data especially. Who knows what's backed up and what's not? That's why I said it has to be collaboratively backed up and hosted. Instead you create this fanciful scenario that doesn't exist, in order to reach incoherent conclusions that you use to perform your over-the-top drama.

bluegatty 7mo ago

This is not what happened, please. Some scientists working for government agencies had their public statements reviewed. And the bit about collusion with secessionists ... while be ultra nationalist - is conspiratorial and nonsensical.