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> Btrfs is only half finished and is not robust. Yawn. You again. Hater!1!! ;-> Mine is still running, after all these (two) years abusing it. Even with instal

> Btrfs is only half finished and is not robust. Yawn. You again. Hater!1!! ;-> Mine is still running, after all these (two) years abusing it. Even with installing(not really, much more complicated) some Windoze into a subvolume of it by means of WinBtrfs. I can either boot that Windows natively, or from the same install into a VM, by means of what once were called bootmanager profiles. Automagically chosen. Without having to reserve space for NTFS, VFAT(excluding UEFI/boot), or anything else. Its just a fucking folder, like any other. > But RH removed Btrfs from RHEL and Btrfs was the only GPL COW filesystem There is NILFS(2) which is GPL. Lacks some features, but that could have been worked around, or implemented? > I recall in horror and revulsion when I see it. You have total recall of recoiling in horror? What a trip... ;-) That aside, it's all cargo-cult anyway, because of this thing called FHS. Which seems crazy, because in a world of open-source, which can be compiled almost any way one could wish for, why not just use slashpkg, Gobolinux or similar stuff?

lproven 8mo ago
> Yawn. You again. Yep, me again. You know that line from the James Bond books? “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.” I saw Btrfs die so many times, I know what to suspect. The official internal guidance was: give it all your disk space. Make the volumes so big that they will never fill up. Well, if I could trust it, I might, but I know I can't trust it, so I want my data safe somewhere else. And the company wouldn't provide me with 2 or 3 disk drives so `/home` could live on another physical volume. And once you've watched your primary work OS self-destruct again, well, if you're me, you reinstall with dual-boot so you have something else to fall back on if it happens again. As it did happen again. Repeatedly. > You have total recall of recoiling in horror? What a trip... ;-) OK, my bad. Brain/finger error. > why not just use slashpkg, Gobolinux or similar stuff? Slashpkg means DJB's thing? https://cr.yp.to/slashpackage.html https://cr.yp.to/slashpackage.html That sounds fantastic. Thanks. I had never heard of this before. Re Gobo -- yes please. I love that little distro.
- LargoLasskhyfv 8mo ago
  > DJB' thing. Yes. It's looking a little bit abandoned, but there is more to it than that single URL. Maybe a dozen small sites, globally, collecting 'recipes', and still very incomplete. Partial overlap with hardcore refuseniks who prefer different init-systems, libc's and building whole mini-distros around other concepts. Starting and running f...ing fast. Yes, in containers/VM's too. Since you are a writer, you could create some nice stories about the different systems-universes, which could have been if only... ;-) Which also could help with your PTSD regarding Btrfs, which you DO suffer from. Lemme tell you why that is from my POV: I didn't use it in it's early days. So whatever imperfections of its code and tools, or interactions with kernels/libraries of that time escaped me. I tortured it by pulling the power plug of the systems it's running on multiple times, under different conditions. Like from mostly idling to extreme load. Dozens of times, meanwhile. Sometimes full to the brim. I'm using it on everything, ranging from internal SATA-SSD, NVME, and external disks(real rotating rust) even over f...ing USB2 with UASP. Even using some compression, no DEDUP or RAID though. Still nothing bad ever happened. Maybe because I'm using it on a 'gaming-distro', often considered b0rkn by 'professionals? Shrug? So whenever I'm seeing you rambling about that stuff, that's what you'll get from me: Shrug? (Until it happens to me, then I'll shout I repent! I repent! Such brazen foolishness of mine! Forgive my ignorance!)
  - lproven 8mo ago
    > Maybe because I'm using it on a 'gaming-distro' Bazzite or something? So, no Snapper. So, no background OS component writing to the root volume. So, you are not affected by the problem I describe and have documented at length. As a result you think I am lying. Seems to me you're unable to follow a chain of reasoning.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 8mo ago
      Err, no. CachyOS. Initially with snapper, and it's still installed, but any automagicals disabled. As are the pacman hooks using it. Because I have no real need for them, and the potential hassle they can cause(If you do letting them run into oblivion). Btrfs has other, very convenient qualites. My reasoning is you can perfectly use it, while having the ability to do manual snapshots, if you think you must, which I don't, because I(usually) know what and how to do. But not like you did use it.

lproven 8mo ago

> Yawn. You again. Yep, me again. You know that line from the James Bond books? “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.” I saw Btrfs die so many times, I know what to suspect. The official internal guidance was: give it all your disk space. Make the volumes so big that they will never fill up. Well, if I could trust it, I might, but I know I can't trust it, so I want my data safe somewhere else. And the company wouldn't provide me with 2 or 3 disk drives so `/home` could live on another physical volume. And once you've watched your primary work OS self-destruct again, well, if you're me, you reinstall with dual-boot so you have something else to fall back on if it happens again. As it did happen again. Repeatedly. > You have total recall of recoiling in horror? What a trip... ;-) OK, my bad. Brain/finger error. > why not just use slashpkg, Gobolinux or similar stuff? Slashpkg means DJB's thing? https://cr.yp.to/slashpackage.html https://cr.yp.to/slashpackage.html That sounds fantastic. Thanks. I had never heard of this before. Re Gobo -- yes please. I love that little distro.

LargoLasskhyfv 8mo ago
> DJB' thing. Yes. It's looking a little bit abandoned, but there is more to it than that single URL. Maybe a dozen small sites, globally, collecting 'recipes', and still very incomplete. Partial overlap with hardcore refuseniks who prefer different init-systems, libc's and building whole mini-distros around other concepts. Starting and running f...ing fast. Yes, in containers/VM's too. Since you are a writer, you could create some nice stories about the different systems-universes, which could have been if only... ;-) Which also could help with your PTSD regarding Btrfs, which you DO suffer from. Lemme tell you why that is from my POV: I didn't use it in it's early days. So whatever imperfections of its code and tools, or interactions with kernels/libraries of that time escaped me. I tortured it by pulling the power plug of the systems it's running on multiple times, under different conditions. Like from mostly idling to extreme load. Dozens of times, meanwhile. Sometimes full to the brim. I'm using it on everything, ranging from internal SATA-SSD, NVME, and external disks(real rotating rust) even over f...ing USB2 with UASP. Even using some compression, no DEDUP or RAID though. Still nothing bad ever happened. Maybe because I'm using it on a 'gaming-distro', often considered b0rkn by 'professionals? Shrug? So whenever I'm seeing you rambling about that stuff, that's what you'll get from me: Shrug? (Until it happens to me, then I'll shout I repent! I repent! Such brazen foolishness of mine! Forgive my ignorance!)
- lproven 8mo ago
  > Maybe because I'm using it on a 'gaming-distro' Bazzite or something? So, no Snapper. So, no background OS component writing to the root volume. So, you are not affected by the problem I describe and have documented at length. As a result you think I am lying. Seems to me you're unable to follow a chain of reasoning.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 8mo ago
    Err, no. CachyOS. Initially with snapper, and it's still installed, but any automagicals disabled. As are the pacman hooks using it. Because I have no real need for them, and the potential hassle they can cause(If you do letting them run into oblivion). Btrfs has other, very convenient qualites. My reasoning is you can perfectly use it, while having the ability to do manual snapshots, if you think you must, which I don't, because I(usually) know what and how to do. But not like you did use it.