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The directors of the the GrapheneOS Foundation and the other things you're talking about are public information. I stepped down as lead developer due to relentl

by strcat 7mo ago

The directors of the the GrapheneOS Foundation and the other things you're talking about are public information. I stepped down as lead developer due to relentless harassment preventing me from being productive. The same people targeting me with harassment misrepresented what was happening. You shouldn't get info about GrapheneOS from Hacker News comments especially when multiple regulars here are part of the attacks on GrapheneOS. Hacker News permits people to freely engage in libel and harassment towards me on nearly every post about GrapheneOS.

joemazerino 7mo ago
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- ta9000 7mo ago
  Seems like you’re proving his point. From what I can tell he founded the project and was bullied into leaving on social media. Happy to update my view if there’s additional information.
  - joemazerino 7mo ago
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  - DaSHacka 7mo ago
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    - nickburns 7mo ago
      No, by all means. Add a couple more paragraphs. Your rant seethes with credibility.
      - unselect5917 7mo ago
        I actually don't regret going in and turning "show dead" on so I could see it. Knowing that someone is considered a lolcow is legitimately useful information. It might no be polite, you might not like it, but it is useful data to people who prefer their truths entirely unfettered by nosy busybodies who call themselves "moderators".
        nickburns 7mo ago
        Who in the derp are you?
        unselect5917 7mo ago
        That question has no relevance other than to gin up an ad hominem. Shame on you.
        DaSHacka 7mo ago
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        nickburns 7mo ago
        Who *in the derp.
      - DaSHacka 7mo ago
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      - strcat 7mo ago
        You can't expect much from people who think Kiwi Farms and content from members of the site are a reliable source of information.
        DaSHacka 7mo ago
        Is that what I said? Or did I merely bring up that (I think) there's a thread about you on that site? I didn't exactly say they're a reputable source of information, but they certainly are known to glom onto internet ""personalities""....
  - strcat 7mo ago
    I appreciate someone standing up to this. The particular account has been engaging in bullying towards me with endless lies since 2018. He posts personal attacks towards me in most threads about GrapheneOS. I don't understand why there hasn't been moderation yet.
neilv 7mo ago
Thank you, to you and the rest of the team, for your work on GrapheneOS! If I may make a suggestion: as GrapheneOS becomes more popular, perhaps it's time to better establish users' trust in the control over it. When the project was primarily you, who was already known for technical prowess and a principled exit from a different project, that was enough for many enthusiasts. But as both the team and the user base have grown (and, secondarily, the outside world has become less stable), a new infusion of confidence in trustworthiness would help. I'm not sure how to do that, but it may include communicating who is involved (not just names, but why they should be trusted), and what safeguards there are against mistakes and compromised/rogue individuals. I say this because GrapheneOS may be the best candidate for a trustworthy smartphone platform right now, and I hope for the best followthrough and success of that.
- mixmastamyk 7mo ago
  Why should privacy-oriented individuals be forced to dox themselves? There is a company that should be able to stand on its own reputation or not.
  - neilv 7mo ago
    You need more than a corporate reputation. We're an entire industry of liars and poseurs. It would be easy to make even a completely bad-actor company with years of stellar reputation. Either as a sleeper for some future big attack, or one that only rarely and secretly takes action against very high value targets.
    - mixmastamyk 7mo ago
      And how will a name and address prevent that?
      - neilv 7mo ago
        I don't think I said anything about an address. They've given some names, but that doesn't say why they should be trusted. Two examples of people who have established some trust over the years: Linus Torvalds and RMS. Joking scenario to illustrate... Badguy: "This is it, Torvalds! Give us the Linux launch codes, or I shoot you!" Torvalds: "Launch codes? I'm angry that you are wasting everyone's time, when clearly you don't know what you are doing, and are not bothering to get help to do it properly." Badguy: "How about your friend! Give us the codes, or I shoot Stallman!" Stallman: "Excuse me, but when you say Linux, I think you mean GNU/Linux, since Linux is a kernel, which is only one piece of the operating system, and used with--" Badguy: "Argh! I can't take you nerds anymore!" shoots self in head
matheusmoreira 7mo ago
Thank you for your work. What would you say the future holds for the project? Is it in good hands?
- strcat 7mo ago
  Yes, it's in good hands and the organization is actively being built out with the help of people from the Ethereum Foundation who know how to run a successful non-profit. We're making it into a serious organization and are hiring a bunch of full time developers.

by strcat 7mo ago

joemazerino 7mo ago

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ta9000 7mo ago
Seems like you’re proving his point. From what I can tell he founded the project and was bullied into leaving on social media. Happy to update my view if there’s additional information.
- joemazerino 7mo ago
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- DaSHacka 7mo ago
  [flagged]
  - nickburns 7mo ago
    No, by all means. Add a couple more paragraphs. Your rant seethes with credibility.
    - unselect5917 7mo ago
      I actually don't regret going in and turning "show dead" on so I could see it. Knowing that someone is considered a lolcow is legitimately useful information. It might no be polite, you might not like it, but it is useful data to people who prefer their truths entirely unfettered by nosy busybodies who call themselves "moderators".
      - nickburns 7mo ago
        Who in the derp are you?
        unselect5917 7mo ago
        That question has no relevance other than to gin up an ad hominem. Shame on you.
      - DaSHacka 7mo ago
        [flagged]
        nickburns 7mo ago
        Who *in the derp.
    - DaSHacka 7mo ago
      [flagged]
    - strcat 7mo ago
      You can't expect much from people who think Kiwi Farms and content from members of the site are a reliable source of information.
      - DaSHacka 7mo ago
        Is that what I said? Or did I merely bring up that (I think) there's a thread about you on that site? I didn't exactly say they're a reputable source of information, but they certainly are known to glom onto internet ""personalities""....
- strcat 7mo ago
  I appreciate someone standing up to this. The particular account has been engaging in bullying towards me with endless lies since 2018. He posts personal attacks towards me in most threads about GrapheneOS. I don't understand why there hasn't been moderation yet.

neilv 7mo ago

Thank you, to you and the rest of the team, for your work on GrapheneOS! If I may make a suggestion: as GrapheneOS becomes more popular, perhaps it's time to better establish users' trust in the control over it. When the project was primarily you, who was already known for technical prowess and a principled exit from a different project, that was enough for many enthusiasts. But as both the team and the user base have grown (and, secondarily, the outside world has become less stable), a new infusion of confidence in trustworthiness would help. I'm not sure how to do that, but it may include communicating who is involved (not just names, but why they should be trusted), and what safeguards there are against mistakes and compromised/rogue individuals. I say this because GrapheneOS may be the best candidate for a trustworthy smartphone platform right now, and I hope for the best followthrough and success of that.

mixmastamyk 7mo ago
Why should privacy-oriented individuals be forced to dox themselves? There is a company that should be able to stand on its own reputation or not.
- neilv 7mo ago
  You need more than a corporate reputation. We're an entire industry of liars and poseurs. It would be easy to make even a completely bad-actor company with years of stellar reputation. Either as a sleeper for some future big attack, or one that only rarely and secretly takes action against very high value targets.
  - mixmastamyk 7mo ago
    And how will a name and address prevent that?
    - neilv 7mo ago
      I don't think I said anything about an address. They've given some names, but that doesn't say why they should be trusted. Two examples of people who have established some trust over the years: Linus Torvalds and RMS. Joking scenario to illustrate... Badguy: "This is it, Torvalds! Give us the Linux launch codes, or I shoot you!" Torvalds: "Launch codes? I'm angry that you are wasting everyone's time, when clearly you don't know what you are doing, and are not bothering to get help to do it properly." Badguy: "How about your friend! Give us the codes, or I shoot Stallman!" Stallman: "Excuse me, but when you say Linux, I think you mean GNU/Linux, since Linux is a kernel, which is only one piece of the operating system, and used with--" Badguy: "Argh! I can't take you nerds anymore!" shoots self in head

matheusmoreira 7mo ago

Thank you for your work. What would you say the future holds for the project? Is it in good hands?

strcat 7mo ago
Yes, it's in good hands and the organization is actively being built out with the help of people from the Ethereum Foundation who know how to run a successful non-profit. We're making it into a serious organization and are hiring a bunch of full time developers.