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The irony of advertising a privacy-enabled de-googled system, and then telling me that my Firefox browser is not support, and that I should use Edge, Opera or C

The irony of advertising a privacy-enabled de-googled system, and then telling me that my Firefox browser is not support, and that I should use Edge, Opera or Chrome instead.... Browsing: https://e.foundation/installer/ https://e.foundation/installer/ Reply: https://imgur.com/a/al1Q9DM https://imgur.com/a/al1Q9DM

RoryH 8mo ago
Hmmm, It seems to require the WebUSB API: https://caniuse.com/?search=webusb https://caniuse.com/?search=webusb
- amiga386 8mo ago
  If the site can detect that it can't use WebUSB, it can give you instructions on how to download and flash the mobile OS, not tell you to fuck off. Compare: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/tokay/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/tokay/
  - onli 8mo ago
    That's not an installer, that's a device page. It's the specific functionality needed here that Firefox lacks that makes the /e/ page show the warning, unlike the lineage page that does not have the problem in the first place.
    - fransje26 8mo ago
      The fun part is that I got to this installer page by clicking on "Check device compatibility" on the https://e.foundation/e-os/ https://e.foundation/e-os/ page.. So I was actually expecting a device page, not a WebUSB program..
      - onli 8mo ago
        Okay, that makes your complaint very understandable.
  - herrherrmann 8mo ago
    Absolutely. This is handled very badly, and I was also surprised about the bad UX on that screen.
pbasista 8mo ago
This is related to Firefox unwilling to add support for WebUSB because, I suppose, they believe that a browser is not a general purpose application launcher and the scope of what it can do should be limited. As such, it should not be allowed to e.g. control peripherals like the USB devices. Which is in my opinion a fairly reasonable take. But given the current situation, I would assume that the companies providing WebUSB tools like installers would also spend a few moments to create e.g. a Python script that would do the same thing but locally. So that anyone unwilling to use WebUSB within their browser can have a vetted and transparent way to get the same thing done.
- OJFord 8mo ago
  > Firefox unwilling to add support for WebUSB because, I suppose, they believe that a browser is not a general purpose application launcher No, it's security concern. https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/100 https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/100
- p0w3n3d 8mo ago
  WebUSB Indeed sounds like madness
  - treyd 8mo ago
    I am opposed to it for similar reasons as in GP, but it does let you do cool things like installing Android ROMs without touching adb by having a (presumably) WASM-based impl of adb.
leumon 8mo ago
same for grapheneos. only difference maybe that you can choose to also manually install it without WebUSB
jllyhill 8mo ago
And, to counter the arguments that "the site tells you that you need WebUSB support": you get to the https://e.foundation/installer/ https://e.foundation/installer/ when you click "Check device compatibility" on the main page. Personally, I'd expect either a check that works in any browser or a simple compatible device list. Why would I need a special browser just to check if I can use this OS? This is especially strange considering they have the list of supported devices in their docs https://doc.e.foundation/devices https://doc.e.foundation/devices So I think the issue is that the button on the main page is poorly named
- amiga386 8mo ago
  What I currently see: main page -> download and try! -> browse supported devices lands on https://doc.e.foundation/devices https://doc.e.foundation/devices which is a list of models, while main page -> download and try! -> check device compatibility lands on https://e.foundation/installer/ https://e.foundation/installer/ the chromium-only webusb page. It could be a better page; instead of showing a scary "navigator not suppored" modal demanding you install a particular browser, it could say the automated compatibility tester requires one of these browsers and your phone plugged in with USB, otherwise here's the device finder page
Jur 8mo ago
Same here, they advertise with the duckduckgo browser app on the above page, but it's not supported checking compatibility.
subscribed 8mo ago
e/OS is not degoogled, only some of the functionality has been rewritten in microG (eg not implementing security checks but instead spoofing them), but still uses Google play sdk and libraries. Additionally it runs in the privileged mode, so any exploit on that, well, means back luck.

RoryH 8mo ago

Hmmm, It seems to require the WebUSB API: https://caniuse.com/?search=webusb https://caniuse.com/?search=webusb

amiga386 8mo ago
If the site can detect that it can't use WebUSB, it can give you instructions on how to download and flash the mobile OS, not tell you to fuck off. Compare: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/tokay/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/tokay/
- onli 8mo ago
  That's not an installer, that's a device page. It's the specific functionality needed here that Firefox lacks that makes the /e/ page show the warning, unlike the lineage page that does not have the problem in the first place.
  - fransje26 8mo ago
    The fun part is that I got to this installer page by clicking on "Check device compatibility" on the https://e.foundation/e-os/ https://e.foundation/e-os/ page.. So I was actually expecting a device page, not a WebUSB program..
    - onli 8mo ago
      Okay, that makes your complaint very understandable.
- herrherrmann 8mo ago
  Absolutely. This is handled very badly, and I was also surprised about the bad UX on that screen.

pbasista 8mo ago

This is related to Firefox unwilling to add support for WebUSB because, I suppose, they believe that a browser is not a general purpose application launcher and the scope of what it can do should be limited. As such, it should not be allowed to e.g. control peripherals like the USB devices. Which is in my opinion a fairly reasonable take. But given the current situation, I would assume that the companies providing WebUSB tools like installers would also spend a few moments to create e.g. a Python script that would do the same thing but locally. So that anyone unwilling to use WebUSB within their browser can have a vetted and transparent way to get the same thing done.

OJFord 8mo ago
> Firefox unwilling to add support for WebUSB because, I suppose, they believe that a browser is not a general purpose application launcher No, it's security concern. https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/100 https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/100
p0w3n3d 8mo ago
WebUSB Indeed sounds like madness
- treyd 8mo ago
  I am opposed to it for similar reasons as in GP, but it does let you do cool things like installing Android ROMs without touching adb by having a (presumably) WASM-based impl of adb.

leumon 8mo ago

same for grapheneos. only difference maybe that you can choose to also manually install it without WebUSB

jllyhill 8mo ago

And, to counter the arguments that "the site tells you that you need WebUSB support": you get to the https://e.foundation/installer/ https://e.foundation/installer/ when you click "Check device compatibility" on the main page. Personally, I'd expect either a check that works in any browser or a simple compatible device list. Why would I need a special browser just to check if I can use this OS? This is especially strange considering they have the list of supported devices in their docs https://doc.e.foundation/devices https://doc.e.foundation/devices So I think the issue is that the button on the main page is poorly named

amiga386 8mo ago
What I currently see: main page -> download and try! -> browse supported devices lands on https://doc.e.foundation/devices https://doc.e.foundation/devices which is a list of models, while main page -> download and try! -> check device compatibility lands on https://e.foundation/installer/ https://e.foundation/installer/ the chromium-only webusb page. It could be a better page; instead of showing a scary "navigator not suppored" modal demanding you install a particular browser, it could say the automated compatibility tester requires one of these browsers and your phone plugged in with USB, otherwise here's the device finder page

Jur 8mo ago

Same here, they advertise with the duckduckgo browser app on the above page, but it's not supported checking compatibility.

subscribed 8mo ago

e/OS is not degoogled, only some of the functionality has been rewritten in microG (eg not implementing security checks but instead spoofing them), but still uses Google play sdk and libraries. Additionally it runs in the privileged mode, so any exploit on that, well, means back luck.