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What does full-stack mean here? Phone is fully produced in Europe? Software and online storage fully provided by European company? edit: I want this phone, I h
by zaggynl 7mo ago
What does full-stack mean here?
Phone is fully produced in Europe?
Software and online storage fully provided by European company?
edit: I want this phone, I have reserved a slot in the coming batch.
Just posing as an average Joe here, someone who does not host their own storage, calendar, contacts, phone tracking, remote wipe, the "free" features Google and Apple are known for on their phones.
- helsinkiandrew 7mo agoThe previous Jolla C2 phone was built by Reeder in Turkey - they don't seem to say anything about the new phone
- mrbn100ful 7mo agohttps://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-c2-out-of-stock/27573/5 https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-c2-out-of-stock/27573/5 Let us clarify here as it is very different indeed. The Jolla C2 Community Phone is done in collaboration with Reeder, who is the HW vendor. This means Reeder sources the components, plans the production and does the manufacturing in Turkey. Jolla provides the complete software stack (Sailfish OS) which is installed by Reeder in the manufacturing. In the new Jolla Phone everything is different. Jolla is the vendor, has designed the product itself, done the component sourcing and pays directly to the component vendors. We control the pipeline. Further, we have secured our position for the initial memory batch with advance purchase. Also, to be clear: Reeder has no involvement in the new Jolla Phone. Thank you for asking, very good points to clarify!
- seba_dos1 7mo agoApparently "full-stack alternative" means "layered on top of Android" these days, as Jolla does with libhybris.
- ggus 7mo agoFrom what I understand it's the opposite, an android compatibility thing layered on top of a linux base.
- seba_dos1 7mo agoIt's both; the one I mentioned is for system drivers, the one you're talking about is for running applications (which you can also do on a regular non-Halium GNU/Linux using e.g. Waydroid).
- mariusor 7mo agoI'm sure that if you tell Jolla about a relatively modern mobile SOC with mainline linux support, they'll look into it instead of relying on libhybris.
- seba_dos1 7mo agoThey can rely on libhybris if they want, why should I care - I just object to calling that "a full-stack alternative", especially when alternatives do exist.
- mariusor 7mo agoModern SOC alternatives for a phone that can be used as a daily driver? Please do tell...
- seba_dos1 7mo agoModern full-stack alternatives exist. I've been daily driving a Librem 5 running a Debian derivative for years.
- mariusor 7mo agoThat wasn't modern when they released it in 2020. Jolla chose a little more pragmatism for their hardware in the hope that they actually sell phones to other people than 100% open-source purists. I find it funny when dudes like you go all "well awkshwally" on them...
- 7mo ago
- u1hcw9nx 7mo agoUsually 'full stack' just means software. Here it means a true Linux phone (Sailfish OS) plus Android compatibility with sandboxing. The C2 model is made in Turkey from Asian parts. The new phone is manufactured in Asia, but the final assembly, QA, and software flashing are done in Finland. This isn't for people with a consumer mindset. It’s for people who want a Linux computer in their pocket, more privacy, and still want to run some Android apps.
- mytailorisrich 7mo agoBut even the full software stack isn't European as it runs on a Mediatek platform (ie. all the cellular stack and platform software is from Mediatek, which is from Taiwan). It's the apps software stack on top of the Linux kernel that is potentially "European". There are no longer any cellular chipset vendors based in Europe, afaik, so there's really no alternative. It's also hard to see how they will ever again be one.
- ljlolel 7mo agoWW3
- seba_dos1 7mo agoThere are phones that can run "true Linux" out there, and there even are ports of Sailfish OS for some of them, but Jolla phones were never part of those and rely on Android drivers instead.
- mrbn100ful 7mo agoPinephone/pro What else use main line kernel without blob ?
- baxtr 7mo agoWhen I first read the headline I thought all hardware components are European as well. Seems like it's referring to the software stack only.