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I must agree, you are right, GOS is only on Pixel phones. But we have to keep in mind that /e/ has a lot of problems, the only one solved is sending data to Go

by _ache_ 7mo ago

I must agree, you are right, GOS is only on Pixel phones. But we have to keep in mind that /e/ has a lot of problems, the only one solved is sending data to Google. The security aspect of the OS is problematic and some key elements of a privacy seem questioning (AI integration, commercial collaborations, ...). Fix: IA => AI typo and various English errors.

soufron 7mo ago
Like what problems? I am using /e/ daily for myself and my family, and it's working like a charm.
- _ache_ 7mo ago
  The OS is working well, but have privacy and security concerns. Is it better than a stock OS? I don't know, maybe, maybe not, it depends on the stock OS.
- microtonal 7mo ago
  Uploading speech-to-text to OpenAI? Regular communication with Google? Using Google for assisted GPS? Giving a bunch of Google apps privileged access (if you need them for e.g. Android Auto)? https://www.kuketz-blog.de/e-datenschutzfreundlich-bedeutet-nicht-zwangslaeufig-sicher-custom-roms-teil6/ https://www.kuketz-blog.de/e-datenschutzfreundlich-bedeutet-... https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/os/GmsCore/-/blob/a9e102567518ec77f447d66f558dcd24d7690264/play-services-base/core/src/main/kotlin/org/microg/gms/common/KnownGooglePackages.kt#L209 https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/os/GmsCore/-/blob/a9e102567518... https://forum.fairphone.com/t/e-os-betrays-users-privacy-openai-being-integrated-directly-into-core-os/119381 https://forum.fairphone.com/t/e-os-betrays-users-privacy-ope... https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm Well and besides that only shipping ASBs and no other security updates outside major Android releases (and both usually late). Using heavily outdated kernel trees (e.g. FP4 is using a Linux kernel patch level that hasn't been updated since 2020!), outdated vendor firmware blobs, etc. It might work, but it is not very secure, nor very private.
chrisjj 7mo ago
What IA?
- microtonal 7mo ago
  /e/OS speech to text uploads your speech to OpenAI. (I think IA was a typo.)
  - _ache_ 7mo ago
    Yeah, it's a typo (I'm french speaking, AI is IA in french and sometime I type it in french instead of english).
  - chrisjj 7mo ago
    Ugh. Thanks. Hard pass here.
    - seanhunter 7mo ago
      Reading the links posted in a sibling thread it only does it if you have text to speech enabled and they use an anonymizing proxy so openai can't associate sessions with any particular user ie it's not perfectly anonymous and private but I don't see how you could have totally anonymous and private until you have a fully offline on-device TTS model, which the fairphone guy said they tried and didn't feel it was up to scratch. I don't use e/os but it doesnt' seem like a terrible compromise to me personally.
      - chrisjj 7mo ago
        It is not even imperfectly private. Every word gets heard by a partner of a kakistocratic foriegn regime. > don't see how you could have totally anonymous and private until you have a fully offline on-device TTS model Yes, and? PCs that have have had that for decades - despite orders of magnitude less platform capability.

by _ache_ 7mo ago

soufron 7mo ago

Like what problems? I am using /e/ daily for myself and my family, and it's working like a charm.

_ache_ 7mo ago
The OS is working well, but have privacy and security concerns. Is it better than a stock OS? I don't know, maybe, maybe not, it depends on the stock OS.
microtonal 7mo ago
Uploading speech-to-text to OpenAI? Regular communication with Google? Using Google for assisted GPS? Giving a bunch of Google apps privileged access (if you need them for e.g. Android Auto)? https://www.kuketz-blog.de/e-datenschutzfreundlich-bedeutet-nicht-zwangslaeufig-sicher-custom-roms-teil6/ https://www.kuketz-blog.de/e-datenschutzfreundlich-bedeutet-... https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/os/GmsCore/-/blob/a9e102567518ec77f447d66f558dcd24d7690264/play-services-base/core/src/main/kotlin/org/microg/gms/common/KnownGooglePackages.kt#L209 https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/os/GmsCore/-/blob/a9e102567518... https://forum.fairphone.com/t/e-os-betrays-users-privacy-openai-being-integrated-directly-into-core-os/119381 https://forum.fairphone.com/t/e-os-betrays-users-privacy-ope... https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm Well and besides that only shipping ASBs and no other security updates outside major Android releases (and both usually late). Using heavily outdated kernel trees (e.g. FP4 is using a Linux kernel patch level that hasn't been updated since 2020!), outdated vendor firmware blobs, etc. It might work, but it is not very secure, nor very private.

chrisjj 7mo ago

What IA?

microtonal 7mo ago
/e/OS speech to text uploads your speech to OpenAI. (I think IA was a typo.)
- _ache_ 7mo ago
  Yeah, it's a typo (I'm french speaking, AI is IA in french and sometime I type it in french instead of english).
- chrisjj 7mo ago
  Ugh. Thanks. Hard pass here.
  - seanhunter 7mo ago
    Reading the links posted in a sibling thread it only does it if you have text to speech enabled and they use an anonymizing proxy so openai can't associate sessions with any particular user ie it's not perfectly anonymous and private but I don't see how you could have totally anonymous and private until you have a fully offline on-device TTS model, which the fairphone guy said they tried and didn't feel it was up to scratch. I don't use e/os but it doesnt' seem like a terrible compromise to me personally.
    - chrisjj 7mo ago
      It is not even imperfectly private. Every word gets heard by a partner of a kakistocratic foriegn regime. > don't see how you could have totally anonymous and private until you have a fully offline on-device TTS model Yes, and? PCs that have have had that for decades - despite orders of magnitude less platform capability.