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This is a common talking point, but if we look at the underlying facts of what Israel did to "support" or "set up" Hamas, they... allowed Qatar to provide aid t

This is a common talking point, but if we look at the underlying facts of what Israel did to "support" or "set up" Hamas, they... allowed Qatar to provide aid to Gaza to fund some infrastructure and civil servants' salaries. Would you have preferred that they block the aid and Gaza's governance collapse?

srean 8mo ago
I am talking about something that is from decades earlier. The Google search results I quoted summarises that quite well.
- spwa4 8mo ago
  Doesn't change the other side of the equation either: it is also not controversial that the KGB and the Soviets are financially behind the PLO (now PA), that Yasser Arafat ("the wise Egyptian") was a Soviet agent.
  - srean 8mo ago
    First time hearing about it, so cannot comment without reading further. KGB and CIA had their noses in the affairs of every country, more so in the mid east, so cannot be ruled out. Historical interest aside, that was not the point I made on this thread. The point was justifying war on Iran upon the reason that they funded Hamas. So did Israel, they pretty much helped birth it. KGB may or may not be funding PLA, but that doesn't change who set up Hamas in the first place. If reminding Arafat's Egyptian origin is to caste a shade, many in the Israeli government have European (often Polish) origin and surnames that they changed to fit their political career. Netanyahu included. So that cuts bothway.
    - spwa4 8mo ago
      It's a lot more than just nosing around. Just Google it, and if you don't trust the sources, just switch to the images tab.
- dlubarov 8mo ago
  You claimed that "It's Israel that set up Hamas". Now you're talking about Israel supporting a charity that ran schools and mosques before Hamas existed. That doesn't support your claim.
  - srean 7mo ago
    https://youtu.be/o7grSsuFSS0?si=tjkmbDNgYTGOMx_y https://youtu.be/o7grSsuFSS0?si=tjkmbDNgYTGOMx_y Israeli defence and political apparatus themselves own up to the creation of Hamas.

srean 8mo ago

I am talking about something that is from decades earlier. The Google search results I quoted summarises that quite well.

spwa4 8mo ago
Doesn't change the other side of the equation either: it is also not controversial that the KGB and the Soviets are financially behind the PLO (now PA), that Yasser Arafat ("the wise Egyptian") was a Soviet agent.
- srean 8mo ago
  First time hearing about it, so cannot comment without reading further. KGB and CIA had their noses in the affairs of every country, more so in the mid east, so cannot be ruled out. Historical interest aside, that was not the point I made on this thread. The point was justifying war on Iran upon the reason that they funded Hamas. So did Israel, they pretty much helped birth it. KGB may or may not be funding PLA, but that doesn't change who set up Hamas in the first place. If reminding Arafat's Egyptian origin is to caste a shade, many in the Israeli government have European (often Polish) origin and surnames that they changed to fit their political career. Netanyahu included. So that cuts bothway.
  - spwa4 8mo ago
    It's a lot more than just nosing around. Just Google it, and if you don't trust the sources, just switch to the images tab.
dlubarov 8mo ago
You claimed that "It's Israel that set up Hamas". Now you're talking about Israel supporting a charity that ran schools and mosques before Hamas existed. That doesn't support your claim.
- srean 7mo ago
  https://youtu.be/o7grSsuFSS0?si=tjkmbDNgYTGOMx_y https://youtu.be/o7grSsuFSS0?si=tjkmbDNgYTGOMx_y Israeli defence and political apparatus themselves own up to the creation of Hamas.