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Yep. This is why many companies have a terminal level with “up or out “ rules. Before that level you are not fully independent and require too much supervisio
by lokar 8mo ago
Yep. This is why many companies have a terminal level with “up or out “ rules. Before that level you are not fully independent and require too much supervision. No one wants a Jr engineer with 10 years of experience.
I see a lot of Sr engineers get very frustrated by how much time they have to spend helping Jr engineers. But, that’s the job, or at least a big part of it.
Or at least it was.
- jfreds 8mo agoI burnt out helping a junior on my team for the past few months. It was just terribly obvious she was feeding my responses directly into a chatbot to fix instead of actually understanding the issue. I can’t really even blame her, there isn’t much incentive to actually learn
- hodgesrm 8mo agoThat sounds like a bad hire, not a junior. Why didn’t your manager help fix that?
- rsynnott 8mo agoI gather that quite a lot of companies are using dumb metrics which would show this as _good_ behaviour, these days.
- jfreds 8mo agoVery bad hire. I’ve gently said as much to my manager and skip. But for some reason hiring is hard and firing is hard, and we’re a small team, so I’ve been told to just lower my standards. Yeah, I know
- lokar 8mo agoI've been in situations like that. For me, it's like interviewing, I just keep backing off, lowering the bar, making it easier and easier until they can get it, then start going back up again. I pretty quickly get a confident read on where they are. If at that point it's clear (to me) the situation is not salvageable, it's a management issue, I've done my job.