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I can't seem to get the article to load, but I think I get the gist from the title. I hired a junior "dev" who literally hadn't even completed an HTML course.

I can't seem to get the article to load, but I think I get the gist from the title. I hired a junior "dev" who literally hadn't even completed an HTML course. Before AI I could not have hired them because they literally did not know how to dev. After AI, anyone with a little grit can push themselves into the field pretty easily. As with everything in life: you can choose to hard route or you can choose the easy route and your results will follow accordingly.

risyachka 8mo ago
>> who literally hadn't even completed an HTML course. so what is their value? proxy your requests to ai?
- adamtaylor_13 8mo ago
  Their value is it's my brother and I need a human brain to be able to slowly morph into a developer over time. So I suppose, sorta, yes. The expectation is to proxy AI requests while building a mental framework for how software is built.
troad 8mo ago
> As with everything in life: you can choose to hard route or you can choose the easy route and your results will follow accordingly. Hard agree, but probably not in the way you're implying. It's the difficult things that make life fun and interesting. A life spent going from one easy thing to another is a life barely lived at all.
- raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
  From a professional standpoint, I’ve never found “enjoyment” from coding. I enjoy every part of the process of getting business goals from talking to stakeholders -> completed project with coding being the necessary evil. Funny enough, I started working in 1996 professionally (and had been a hobbyist for six years before going to college). But it was only between 2012-2016 that I was a ticket taker without working with the end user directly - everything I’ve done has been B2B. GenAI (and working remotely since 2020) has made me enjoy every part of my job.
idontwantthis 8mo ago
Why are you paying them instead of running the AI yourself?
- adamtaylor_13 8mo ago
  My brain can only scale so far. We're not yet at the place where AI removes all humans, so in the meantime it pays to have human brains continuing to learn how software is built.
rsynnott 8mo ago
> I hired a junior "dev" who literally hadn't even completed an HTML course. I mean, I'm a fairly senior dev, and have literally never completed, or indeed really heard of, a html course. Is that, eh, part of your average CS degree these days?
- cyberpunk 8mo ago
  25 years doing distributed systems and best i can offer anyone is <marquee><h1><blink> welcome to cyberpunk’s j33t website!!! :) :)
  - rsynnott 8mo ago
    Fun thing about that: > Netscape has stipulated removal of the <marquee> element from the Internet Explorer during an HTML ERB meeting in February 1996, as a condition to removing the <blink> element from the Netscape It's like nuclear disarmament treaties, but for annoying things.
    - cyberpunk 8mo ago
      Damn, my elite frontend skills are 30 years out of date? Better stick to apis then I guess.
- adamtaylor_13 8mo ago
  Ha. Yeah, that's a sloppy example. My point was that he wasn't even a "junior" insofar as he didn't even really know what development looks like.
srfn 8mo ago
Adam, can you please share, how in the world, this junior dev got hired with you? I'm self-taught dev with multiple years of experience. I choose the hard route, even after AI. For me, programming is theory building, so I always choose understanding above all else. Rock solid understanding of TypeScript, frontend and backed. I have sent 100s of CVs. For Juniors, Mids and Seniors. Not even a single interview. I will be glad for your thoughts on the matter.
- adamtaylor_13 8mo ago
  Man, I'm sorry to hear that. It's definitely a rough market out there right now and unfortunately my answer won't be helpful: it's my brother. I wanted to help him transition into a new industry and had the capital and time to let him get up to speed. That being said, perhaps there is a nugget there: networking with people you know is always, always, 1000% always more effective than firing CVs off. Not to say CVs don't work, but I hired my brother despite it not being in MY best interest. That's the power of relationships.

risyachka 8mo ago

>> who literally hadn't even completed an HTML course. so what is their value? proxy your requests to ai?

adamtaylor_13 8mo ago
Their value is it's my brother and I need a human brain to be able to slowly morph into a developer over time. So I suppose, sorta, yes. The expectation is to proxy AI requests while building a mental framework for how software is built.

troad 8mo ago

> As with everything in life: you can choose to hard route or you can choose the easy route and your results will follow accordingly. Hard agree, but probably not in the way you're implying. It's the difficult things that make life fun and interesting. A life spent going from one easy thing to another is a life barely lived at all.

raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
From a professional standpoint, I’ve never found “enjoyment” from coding. I enjoy every part of the process of getting business goals from talking to stakeholders -> completed project with coding being the necessary evil. Funny enough, I started working in 1996 professionally (and had been a hobbyist for six years before going to college). But it was only between 2012-2016 that I was a ticket taker without working with the end user directly - everything I’ve done has been B2B. GenAI (and working remotely since 2020) has made me enjoy every part of my job.

idontwantthis 8mo ago

Why are you paying them instead of running the AI yourself?

adamtaylor_13 8mo ago
My brain can only scale so far. We're not yet at the place where AI removes all humans, so in the meantime it pays to have human brains continuing to learn how software is built.

rsynnott 8mo ago

> I hired a junior "dev" who literally hadn't even completed an HTML course. I mean, I'm a fairly senior dev, and have literally never completed, or indeed really heard of, a html course. Is that, eh, part of your average CS degree these days?

cyberpunk 8mo ago
25 years doing distributed systems and best i can offer anyone is <marquee><h1><blink> welcome to cyberpunk’s j33t website!!! :) :)
- rsynnott 8mo ago
  Fun thing about that: > Netscape has stipulated removal of the <marquee> element from the Internet Explorer during an HTML ERB meeting in February 1996, as a condition to removing the <blink> element from the Netscape It's like nuclear disarmament treaties, but for annoying things.
  - cyberpunk 8mo ago
    Damn, my elite frontend skills are 30 years out of date? Better stick to apis then I guess.
adamtaylor_13 8mo ago
Ha. Yeah, that's a sloppy example. My point was that he wasn't even a "junior" insofar as he didn't even really know what development looks like.

srfn 8mo ago

Adam, can you please share, how in the world, this junior dev got hired with you? I'm self-taught dev with multiple years of experience. I choose the hard route, even after AI. For me, programming is theory building, so I always choose understanding above all else. Rock solid understanding of TypeScript, frontend and backed. I have sent 100s of CVs. For Juniors, Mids and Seniors. Not even a single interview. I will be glad for your thoughts on the matter.

adamtaylor_13 8mo ago
Man, I'm sorry to hear that. It's definitely a rough market out there right now and unfortunately my answer won't be helpful: it's my brother. I wanted to help him transition into a new industry and had the capital and time to let him get up to speed. That being said, perhaps there is a nugget there: networking with people you know is always, always, 1000% always more effective than firing CVs off. Not to say CVs don't work, but I hired my brother despite it not being in MY best interest. That's the power of relationships.