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Prophets are more dangerous when they're dead. At 86 he would either die from old age or fighting "imperialistic, evil" Israel/US.

_DeadFred_ 8mo ago
This Prophet believed/taught that school girls should be raped before they are executed for not wearing hats so that they can't get into heaven (believing God would judge a child for being raped). Should a believer/teacher of such things even be called a prophet? Old boy was straight trash with a horrific morality.
- estearum 8mo ago
  AFAICT nearly everyone who is called a "prophet" by anyone is horrible, no? Doesn't stop people from killing or dying in their name though.
  - somenameforme 8mo ago
    I can't think of anybody, who has significant power, who isn't seen as horrible by somebody else, and often by quite a lot of somebody elses. With power people always end up trying to make the world a better place. The problem is one man's better place is another's dystopia.
- arunabha 8mo ago
  > Should a believer/teacher of such things even be called a prophet? Old boy was straight trash with a horrific morality. Sadly, that has been a fairly common attribute for a fairly large majority of people anointed as 'prophets' and 'saints'.
- cogman10 8mo ago
  He's not a prophet and he didn't teach that. You don't need to lie about someone you don't like.
  - hu3 8mo ago
    I have no horse in this race but I did find some daunting google results about that.
    - cogman10 8mo ago
      I'd love to see a link to them. My cursory googles aren't finding it. Look, not trying to defend the guy, but I don't like this sort of hyperbole. People have the wrong view on what Iran is like. It's ran by religious fundamentalists, which is bad, but it's also probably one of the more progressive muslim theocracies in the region. People tend to mix up shit that Saudi Arabia does with Iran. In particular, Iran has a very progressive view on education. They have one of the best educated populations in the middle east (men and women).
      - hu3 8mo ago
        I really don't want this on my comment history but here you go: ~redacted google serarch~ And I understand your point. There's a ton of bias. We must be careful with the "facts" on the internet. Admitedly, these link results don't inspire me much confidence.
        cogman10 8mo ago
        The only one attributing a similar quote to khamenei is an x user. The rest appear to document that an exiranian official saying that counter revolutionary women sentenced to death are raped. I hope you can see how these are pretty different things.
        hu3 8mo ago
        First link: "Based on our findings, some of the various forms of sexual torture, such as the rape of virgin girls prior to their execution, were conducted in a systematic way and were based on the interpretation of an order by Ayatollah Khomeini (1979-1989), the Islamic Republic Supreme Leader at the time." https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmintdev/writev/934/m35.htm https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmin...

_DeadFred_ 8mo ago

This Prophet believed/taught that school girls should be raped before they are executed for not wearing hats so that they can't get into heaven (believing God would judge a child for being raped). Should a believer/teacher of such things even be called a prophet? Old boy was straight trash with a horrific morality.

estearum 8mo ago
AFAICT nearly everyone who is called a "prophet" by anyone is horrible, no? Doesn't stop people from killing or dying in their name though.
- somenameforme 8mo ago
  I can't think of anybody, who has significant power, who isn't seen as horrible by somebody else, and often by quite a lot of somebody elses. With power people always end up trying to make the world a better place. The problem is one man's better place is another's dystopia.
arunabha 8mo ago
> Should a believer/teacher of such things even be called a prophet? Old boy was straight trash with a horrific morality. Sadly, that has been a fairly common attribute for a fairly large majority of people anointed as 'prophets' and 'saints'.
cogman10 8mo ago
He's not a prophet and he didn't teach that. You don't need to lie about someone you don't like.
- hu3 8mo ago
  I have no horse in this race but I did find some daunting google results about that.
  - cogman10 8mo ago
    I'd love to see a link to them. My cursory googles aren't finding it. Look, not trying to defend the guy, but I don't like this sort of hyperbole. People have the wrong view on what Iran is like. It's ran by religious fundamentalists, which is bad, but it's also probably one of the more progressive muslim theocracies in the region. People tend to mix up shit that Saudi Arabia does with Iran. In particular, Iran has a very progressive view on education. They have one of the best educated populations in the middle east (men and women).
    - hu3 8mo ago
      I really don't want this on my comment history but here you go: ~redacted google serarch~ And I understand your point. There's a ton of bias. We must be careful with the "facts" on the internet. Admitedly, these link results don't inspire me much confidence.
      - cogman10 8mo ago
        The only one attributing a similar quote to khamenei is an x user. The rest appear to document that an exiranian official saying that counter revolutionary women sentenced to death are raped. I hope you can see how these are pretty different things.
        hu3 8mo ago
        First link: "Based on our findings, some of the various forms of sexual torture, such as the rape of virgin girls prior to their execution, were conducted in a systematic way and were based on the interpretation of an order by Ayatollah Khomeini (1979-1989), the Islamic Republic Supreme Leader at the time." https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmintdev/writev/934/m35.htm https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmin...