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>Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far Over a million people in the US died of COVID. It's impossible to know exactly

by thfuran 8mo ago

>Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far Over a million people in the US died of COVID. It's impossible to know exactly how many of them would've lived if the pandemic started under a president with a saner response than recommending injecting disinfectant, but I'm willing to bet it's more than two.

Uhhrrr 8mo ago
Look at the number of covid deaths in countries other than the US and consider updating your news diet.
- arunabha 8mo ago
  You do realize that the US had _one of the highest_ per capita Covid deaths amongst developed nations?
  - wqaatwt 8mo ago
    US has one of the unhealthiest populations amongst developed countries too, so maybe it’s not that surprising.
  - Ray20 8mo ago
    The correlation between mortality and body mass index is striking.
    - ZeroGravitas 8mo ago
      Maybe the President should have taken that into account when lying publicly about the impacts that he admitted in private conversation, or mocking and undermining expert advice?
      - temp8830 8mo ago
        [flagged]
        ZeroGravitas 8mo ago
        Fauci injected money into the economy? Who was the President at the time?
  - belorn 8mo ago
    Excess death from Covid is a non-trivial topic. Sweden had a very different approach to covid response, and yet had a very average number of excess death. The post-covid investigation provider some clear insight of what was primary causes to excess deaths, and yet very little of those conclusions has became common knowledge. The primary group that had excess death caused from covid was to people living in homes for elderly care, and the primary cause was a lack of initial process and gear by people who worked at those locations. They were not given enough time to keep up a higher standard of sanitation (often given less than 15 minutes between patients), and protective gear was lacking. They also heavily depended on mass transportation which was a primary location for the virus to spread. A better early response in that sector, including shutdown/restriction of mass transportation would had saved many elderly people from early death. To note, this had nothing to do with masks, vaccines, or shutdown of schools, which is the main points usually brought up in popular discourse. Sweden would have had one of the lowest number of deaths, with the exact same use of masks/vaccines/shutdowns as it did, as long as the response in elderly care had been done better.
gamblor956 8mo ago
Parent is referring to the same president as the grandparent... Trump has murdered 2 innocent U.S. citizens so far, and was president when COVID started. Trump's response to COVID was part of why he lost the 2020 election.
- simianparrot 8mo ago
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  - FireBeyond 8mo ago
    By your logic, Khamenei probably hasn't murdered anyone either, right? What a pitiful "argument". While other Presidents would go as far as putting signs saying "the buck stops here" on the Resolute Desk, the current President's sign would say "the buck stops anywhere but here". Let's also see what happens with New Mexico's investigation of the Zorro Ranch... Self defense, my ass. Neither situation posed ANY credible threat to those agents, despite what ICE Barbie got up and said in front of a podium twenty minutes after the event.
    - thejazzman 8mo ago
      to be fair, the prior respondent did seem to agree with the word 'murder' so perhaps we're all ultimately in agreement about what happened :|
      - rcxdude 8mo ago
        if it's self-defence then more or less by definition it isn't murder.
        FireBeyond 8mo ago
        Who said it was self defense? ICE, within minutes? Trump, within minutes? Despite blatantly contradictory video?
mancerayder 8mo ago
He also pushed the first vaccine, and fast-tracked it : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed The amount of ahistorical histrionics on here is deeply worrying for such an educated population. Your political news needs to change. Shouldn't have to say this but to people like you it's a necessity: not a Trump voter or supporter, just correcting misinformation.
- bdangubic 8mo ago
  solid and well written response except no one who is even slightly to the right would ever admit that we actually lived under Trump's rule during the COVID. entire right is now anti-vaccines, anti-all but it was the right that locked up our children and kept them out of schools and forced the vaccines on the population (could not go to the fucking gym without the proof of vaccination). so politically we have short-term memory in this country, especially the right politically. this is why the right is celebrating now America bombing the shit out of everyone while in October of 2023 were pitching that we need to vote right "to stop the endless wars."

by thfuran 8mo ago

Uhhrrr 8mo ago

Look at the number of covid deaths in countries other than the US and consider updating your news diet.

arunabha 8mo ago
You do realize that the US had _one of the highest_ per capita Covid deaths amongst developed nations?
- wqaatwt 8mo ago
  US has one of the unhealthiest populations amongst developed countries too, so maybe it’s not that surprising.
- Ray20 8mo ago
  The correlation between mortality and body mass index is striking.
  - ZeroGravitas 8mo ago
    Maybe the President should have taken that into account when lying publicly about the impacts that he admitted in private conversation, or mocking and undermining expert advice?
    - temp8830 8mo ago
      [flagged]
      - ZeroGravitas 8mo ago
        Fauci injected money into the economy? Who was the President at the time?
- belorn 8mo ago
  Excess death from Covid is a non-trivial topic. Sweden had a very different approach to covid response, and yet had a very average number of excess death. The post-covid investigation provider some clear insight of what was primary causes to excess deaths, and yet very little of those conclusions has became common knowledge. The primary group that had excess death caused from covid was to people living in homes for elderly care, and the primary cause was a lack of initial process and gear by people who worked at those locations. They were not given enough time to keep up a higher standard of sanitation (often given less than 15 minutes between patients), and protective gear was lacking. They also heavily depended on mass transportation which was a primary location for the virus to spread. A better early response in that sector, including shutdown/restriction of mass transportation would had saved many elderly people from early death. To note, this had nothing to do with masks, vaccines, or shutdown of schools, which is the main points usually brought up in popular discourse. Sweden would have had one of the lowest number of deaths, with the exact same use of masks/vaccines/shutdowns as it did, as long as the response in elderly care had been done better.

gamblor956 8mo ago

Parent is referring to the same president as the grandparent... Trump has murdered 2 innocent U.S. citizens so far, and was president when COVID started. Trump's response to COVID was part of why he lost the 2020 election.

simianparrot 8mo ago
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- FireBeyond 8mo ago
  By your logic, Khamenei probably hasn't murdered anyone either, right? What a pitiful "argument". While other Presidents would go as far as putting signs saying "the buck stops here" on the Resolute Desk, the current President's sign would say "the buck stops anywhere but here". Let's also see what happens with New Mexico's investigation of the Zorro Ranch... Self defense, my ass. Neither situation posed ANY credible threat to those agents, despite what ICE Barbie got up and said in front of a podium twenty minutes after the event.
  - thejazzman 8mo ago
    to be fair, the prior respondent did seem to agree with the word 'murder' so perhaps we're all ultimately in agreement about what happened :|
    - rcxdude 8mo ago
      if it's self-defence then more or less by definition it isn't murder.
      - FireBeyond 8mo ago
        Who said it was self defense? ICE, within minutes? Trump, within minutes? Despite blatantly contradictory video?

mancerayder 8mo ago

He also pushed the first vaccine, and fast-tracked it : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed The amount of ahistorical histrionics on here is deeply worrying for such an educated population. Your political news needs to change. Shouldn't have to say this but to people like you it's a necessity: not a Trump voter or supporter, just correcting misinformation.

bdangubic 8mo ago
solid and well written response except no one who is even slightly to the right would ever admit that we actually lived under Trump's rule during the COVID. entire right is now anti-vaccines, anti-all but it was the right that locked up our children and kept them out of schools and forced the vaccines on the population (could not go to the fucking gym without the proof of vaccination). so politically we have short-term memory in this country, especially the right politically. this is why the right is celebrating now America bombing the shit out of everyone while in October of 2023 were pitching that we need to vote right "to stop the endless wars."