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At some point you have to decide: if my country is held back by a brutal dictatorial regime where civilians can't hope to topple it, is there anything else to d
by Almondsetat 8mo ago
At some point you have to decide: if my country is held back by a brutal dictatorial regime where civilians can't hope to topple it, is there anything else to do other than get external help?
- jachee 8mo agoAs an American, I’m really starting to feel that way.
- eclipseo76 8mo agoReally... In a thread about Iran... This is not comparable at all and so insulting for what they have endured since 1979.
- quitspamming 8mo agoExcept midterm elections are literally this year. But other than that small detail, sure.
- jachee 7mo agoThe ones where they’re going to send brownshirts to intimidate voters in blue states? The ones they’re going to try to disrupt like Dallas County last night? The ones they’ve trying desperately to Gerrymander to lock down their dictatorial power? Those elections? It really feels like they’re trying hard to change the rules so that they’re the only ones who can win, to be just like their idol/puppeteer in Russia. And it feels like an external intervention is one of the only things that may help.
- jachee 7mo agoOh, and I forgot to mention the ironically-named (so much of their stuff is ironically-named…) “SAVE” Act, that’s set to disrupt the process even further by having “AI” purge voter registration rolls.
- quitspamming 7mo ago> The ones where they’re going to send brownshirts to intimidate voters in blue states? Any actual evidence this is happening or is going to happen? I've seen some ACLU talking points, always conveniently placed above a donate button, but not any facts. > The ones they’re going to try to disrupt like Dallas County last night? Not from Dallas but looking at the news it looks like a state issue involving the Texas Supreme Court? No mention of Trump, GOP, ICE, or brownshirts. > The ones they’ve trying desperately to Gerrymander to lock down their dictatorial power? Those elections? Gerrymandering just started under Trump? I know there is no way to verify this, but I am not a Trump supporter or Republican. I am just someone who thinks the rhetoric is completely overblown, not supported by reality, and especially comparing it to Iran they're not even in the same phylum let alone class.
- aaa_aaa 8mo agoThis was never about Iranian people. This is all about war mongers, puppets and idiots who believe them.
- smt88 8mo agoThose may be the motivations, but the outcome (so far) is still something Iranians are optimistic about
- blowsand 8mo agoDefend your thesis.
- anonymous908213 8mo agoVenezuela.
- avoutos 8mo agoDefend your thesis
- JimmyBiscuit 8mo agoHmm I wonder what superpower got most of the oil from venezuela and iran. I think it starts with a C
- tdeck 8mo agoTrump literally said it was about the oil on television?
- throwaway2037 8mo agoWild, right? He said it out loud. It reminds me of Chappelle's Show - Black Bush.
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- 4ndrewl 8mo agoMaybe speak to some Libyans. Or Iraqis. Or Syrians?
- UltraSane 8mo agoShort term pain for long term gain.
- bambax 8mo agoShort term pain for long term more pain.
- Almondsetat 8mo agoIs this a way to avoid thinking about the conundrum?
- 4ndrewl 8mo ago"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
- reliabilityguy 8mo agoLibya is not a real country in a historical sense. It’s a bunch of tribes, Kadaffi was from one of the tribes that subjugated others. In Iraq it was a Sunni minority that rules over Shiite majority, and other minorities like the Kurds. In Syria one minority (alawiites) rules over others by force. Also, these countries were not formed by themselves, but rather through deals with France and/or Britain. Iran, while also diverse, has a thousands of years long history. Persians still see themselves as continuation of Persian peoples from the empire times, etc. So, it is not very correct to compare it one to one.
- someotherperson 8mo agoIraqis also see themselves as a continuation of Mesopotamian people, that was quite literally what Iraqi Baathist thought was centered around and used as the successful unification strategy. That's quite literally the justification the Baathists used to try 'reclaim' both Khuzestan and Kuwait. You quite literally couldn't be more wrong in how you categorize Baathist Iraq. Iran has a much worse relationship with its minorities, where if you are of the wrong faith then you literally face state-sanctioned laws preventing you studying or working. In fact, things in Iraq became much worse for minorities after the overthrowal due to the adoption of Iranian cultural practices like Abrahamic elitism. The cherry on top of all of this is that you probably don't realize that Persians in Iran only make up 60% of the country. You have Iranians who wholly reject Persian ancestry (Azeris, Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds...) but you don't even account for them, despite Iran having, what, three? entirely separate ethnic-based separatist insurgencies active across the country LOL
- breakyerself 8mo agoTrump isn't there to help. He wants the oil and he wants a puppet dictator. He doesn't care about the people.
- vasco 8mo agoWhich Arab countries are better after US intervention? The last place that had a dictator is now ruled by ISIS.
- oytis 8mo agoIran is not an Arab country? Answering a more general question - all countries of former Yugoslavia are better after US intervention. Some Serbs would not agree, but it's on them
- vasco 8mo agoIn Iran the outcome is yet to be seen, but we have nearby Arab countries where we don't have to guess what happens. Great deflection.
- oytis 8mo agoIt's not a deflection, it's an example of an intervention having a positive effect. I see no reason for Iran following Arabic rather than Balkan scenario - it's a totally different culture - much more modernised and much more secular
- baxtr 8mo agoYou want your story to be true so badly you ignore counter examples? You should consider conformation bias.
- vasco 8mo agoWhat story? Iraq is ruled by ISIS and Syria is ruled by a dude who's goal was to institute Sharia or ISIS v2. Those were both countries in the region where US intervention toppled a dictator and now is how it is.
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- bjourne 8mo agoOh, please. If you think the majority of all Iranians are in favor of US-Israeli bombings of their home country, you're seriously smoking some potent propaganda.
- khazhoux 8mo agoEvery Iranian friend of mine is celebrating this. They desperately wanted him gone. Are you suggesting Iranians should have protested harder, maybe tried more to "bring change from within"?
- bjourne 8mo agoI have ten times as many Iranian friends as you have. They are all against the bombings.
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- Jensson 8mo agoMost Iranians outside Iran fled from the current regimes terror, they are happy with this. My country took in a lot of Iranians when the current regime took over in the 70s and those are very happy about this. They are out on the street celebrating the attacks on Iranian leaders, not protesting against them.
- AlexeyBelov 8mo agoHow do you know how many friends they have, to confidently state you have 10x?
- bjourne 8mo agoI'm satirizing the dumb "all my friends think X"-argument. Honest intellectual debate requires that your claims are verifiable.
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- paganel 8mo agoAt no point in life I would wish for my fellow citizens to get killed by a foreign power. I’m already in my mid-40s, I’ve spent a day or two out in the streets, protesting (granted, not against governments that the West labels as dictatorial), but at no point has that option crossed my mind. More on point, I would regard the people thinking like that as traitors, because that’s what they are by definition, wishing for your fellow citizens to get killed by a foreign Power so that your political views can prevail is the very definition of treason to one’s people and nation.
- Ray20 8mo ago> your fellow citizens to get killed by a foreign Power so that your political views can prevail What does the assassination of DICTATORS have to do with all of this? Dictatorship is less about citizenship and more about a form of slavery. Resisting the killing of a dictator in any way, regardless of who is trying to kill him or why, is treason to a nation.
- calf 8mo agoPeople don't agree on what a dictator looks like.