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Same problem here. Linux + KDE surpassed Windows many years ago, now I find I also prefer it to the Mac laptops, which are otherwise better only for portabilit

Same problem here. Linux + KDE surpassed Windows many years ago, now I find I also prefer it to the Mac laptops, which are otherwise better only for portability. Apple need to get their software act together. Such a shame because the hardware is awesome. A near perfect inversion of the era of Tiger on the G4.

OsrsNeedsf2P 8mo ago
Linux + KDE has a significantly worse UI than Tahoe
- coeneedell 8mo ago
  I’m gonna need a more detailed argument than that.
  - bee_rider 8mo ago
    It isn’t really a worthwhile argument. Linux has so many window managers, whatever somebody likes about MacOS there’s one that does it better.
    - nurettin 8mo ago
      Started with kde2, then openbox (2000s), then i3 (2010s), these days I got so used to gnome, anything else feels like a downgrade. So probably it is just what you're used to.
    - notpushkin 8mo ago
      One thing I really like about macOS is the shortcuts. You can fairly easily get 90% there on KDE, though. The last 10% is tricky regardless of the WM you choose: some apps just don’t want you to mess with the shortsuts in this way (looking at you, Mozilla). Apart from that, honestly? With global menu, KDE is nearly indistinguishable from how I use macOS.
- dotancohen 8mo ago
  I'm a KDE user who is currently on his second stint using a Mac - the last was in 2017. I'm trying to be as objective as possible, but my list of "it works better on Linux" is far longer than the "it works better on Mac" list. I'd love to know your arguments.
  - iknowstuff 8mo ago
    KDE’s spacing, fonts, margins, iconography and lack of consistency is painful to look at. Gnome is far outpacing KDE in that regard
    - notpushkin 8mo ago
      Could you elaborate? I see no glaring typography problems on KDE (while there are quite a few on macOS, IMO). Iconography – IDK, fairly consistent on the default theme, but it is a bit of a peculiar look.
    - 201984 8mo ago
      Ugly doesn't matter as long as it works better (and I heavily disagree on all of the things you stated.)
      - iknowstuff 8mo ago
        I respect your viewpoint, I think it's entirely reasonable. I just happen to care about these things a little more.
    - dotancohen 8mo ago
      Aestheticly to each his own. Maybe I'm used to KDE aesthetics. But KDE-on-Linux far outshines the Mac for window management, copy-paste via highlight, Always-on-top, mobile phone integration (KDE connect), keyboard control, accessibility (especially Sticky Keys), keyboard language switching options, click handling in background windows, proper readline support in bash and zsh, integration with third party software such as Emacs (I practically live in Org mode), proper handling of multiple users on a single machine, and so many other things that I just can't think of right now.
blahgeek 8mo ago
Apple is and always has been a hardware company. I would like to use the Linux ecosystem, however there’s simply no laptop other than Mac that is light and powerful and runs 15 hours in battery.
- skydhash 8mo ago
  I much prefer to plug a charger every 5 hours (not that much of an inconvenience) than to suffer bad UX and distractions continuously.
  - olyjohn 8mo ago
    Where the hell do people go that they are away from power for 15 hours and are on the computer the whole time? Are they video editing while in the middle of a safari? And besides, every time I see comments like this, all I can think is that they never have even tried to find a PC laptop that is small, fast and has good battery life. Believe it or not they exist.
    - iknowstuff 8mo ago
      15h on light use is a full workday of more heavy tasks
      - einr 8mo ago
        And how often do you work a full day with no access to a charger?
        iknowstuff 8mo ago
        Every other day if you like to travel and/or work from coffee shops
    - technothrasher 8mo ago
      > in the middle of a safari? Long running batteries would have been useful when I first was on safari in 2002. But last year I was on safari again, and at camp there was power and wifi in the tents. It actually kind of killed some of the romance.

OsrsNeedsf2P 8mo ago

Linux + KDE has a significantly worse UI than Tahoe

coeneedell 8mo ago
I’m gonna need a more detailed argument than that.
- bee_rider 8mo ago
  It isn’t really a worthwhile argument. Linux has so many window managers, whatever somebody likes about MacOS there’s one that does it better.
  - nurettin 8mo ago
    Started with kde2, then openbox (2000s), then i3 (2010s), these days I got so used to gnome, anything else feels like a downgrade. So probably it is just what you're used to.
  - notpushkin 8mo ago
    One thing I really like about macOS is the shortcuts. You can fairly easily get 90% there on KDE, though. The last 10% is tricky regardless of the WM you choose: some apps just don’t want you to mess with the shortsuts in this way (looking at you, Mozilla). Apart from that, honestly? With global menu, KDE is nearly indistinguishable from how I use macOS.
dotancohen 8mo ago
I'm a KDE user who is currently on his second stint using a Mac - the last was in 2017. I'm trying to be as objective as possible, but my list of "it works better on Linux" is far longer than the "it works better on Mac" list. I'd love to know your arguments.
- iknowstuff 8mo ago
  KDE’s spacing, fonts, margins, iconography and lack of consistency is painful to look at. Gnome is far outpacing KDE in that regard
  - notpushkin 8mo ago
    Could you elaborate? I see no glaring typography problems on KDE (while there are quite a few on macOS, IMO). Iconography – IDK, fairly consistent on the default theme, but it is a bit of a peculiar look.
  - 201984 8mo ago
    Ugly doesn't matter as long as it works better (and I heavily disagree on all of the things you stated.)
    - iknowstuff 8mo ago
      I respect your viewpoint, I think it's entirely reasonable. I just happen to care about these things a little more.
  - dotancohen 8mo ago
    Aestheticly to each his own. Maybe I'm used to KDE aesthetics. But KDE-on-Linux far outshines the Mac for window management, copy-paste via highlight, Always-on-top, mobile phone integration (KDE connect), keyboard control, accessibility (especially Sticky Keys), keyboard language switching options, click handling in background windows, proper readline support in bash and zsh, integration with third party software such as Emacs (I practically live in Org mode), proper handling of multiple users on a single machine, and so many other things that I just can't think of right now.

blahgeek 8mo ago

Apple is and always has been a hardware company. I would like to use the Linux ecosystem, however there’s simply no laptop other than Mac that is light and powerful and runs 15 hours in battery.

skydhash 8mo ago
I much prefer to plug a charger every 5 hours (not that much of an inconvenience) than to suffer bad UX and distractions continuously.
- olyjohn 8mo ago
  Where the hell do people go that they are away from power for 15 hours and are on the computer the whole time? Are they video editing while in the middle of a safari? And besides, every time I see comments like this, all I can think is that they never have even tried to find a PC laptop that is small, fast and has good battery life. Believe it or not they exist.
  - iknowstuff 8mo ago
    15h on light use is a full workday of more heavy tasks
    - einr 8mo ago
      And how often do you work a full day with no access to a charger?
      - iknowstuff 8mo ago
        Every other day if you like to travel and/or work from coffee shops
  - technothrasher 8mo ago
    > in the middle of a safari? Long running batteries would have been useful when I first was on safari in 2002. But last year I was on safari again, and at camp there was power and wifi in the tents. It actually kind of killed some of the romance.