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When you say "HN", do you mean you? Who else was surprised? The place is full of people constantly commenting about how bad the US is, how corrupt the governmen

When you say "HN", do you mean you? Who else was surprised? The place is full of people constantly commenting about how bad the US is, how corrupt the government is, how terrible CEOs (particularly Altman) are, late stage capitalism, etc., etc.

LoganDark 8mo ago
You know those people have existed since practically forever, right? You learn to tune it out and then you never notice if they start being less wrong.
- wslh 8mo ago
  I don't want to spoil Marty Supreme (2025), but there's a provocative line delivered by Kevin O’Leary (yes, the Shark Tank guy): "I was born in 1601. I’m a vampire. I’ve been around forever."
- XorNot 8mo ago
  It's the surface details problem: people post nice sounding things on the internet but don't think about them and do the nostradamus thing of predicting everything because caused by everything. If you predict a corrupt cartel in "the US" will do a thing, then on a long enough timescale you'll eventually be right in general but wrong about every significant detail. (also the people with this opinion don't seem to do anything with it - it doesn't appear to motivate them to vote, organize, think critically or come up with compromises - they simply turn out to belittle people on the internet while actually acting to normalize new excesses).
- stinkbeetle 8mo ago
  > You know those people have existed since practically forever, right? Yes. > You learn to tune it out and then you never notice if they start being less wrong. Speak for yourself. I have not tuned them out, I notice them a lot.
  - LoganDark 8mo ago
    I don't speak for myself because I don't tune it out either.
    - stinkbeetle 8mo ago
      In that case I don't understand the point of your comment or what in my comment you replied to that you were trying to address with it.
spiderfarmer 8mo ago
I’m one of those criticasters and I’m getting downvoted constantly. I don’t care about the downvotes. I do care about western countries slipping into fascism just because people are so proud to admit they voted for a stupid clown.
- LoganDark 8mo ago
  I think a lot of voters didn't know what they were getting the country into, or just were too ignorant or misinformed to notice, in voting for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party. There are actual fascists too, of course. I'm just disappointed that they won; the damage has already been immeasurable, and to some extent irreversible, and we're not even halfway into the term.
  - teiferer 8mo ago
    > I think a lot of voters didn't know what they were getting the country into You were not around for the 2017-2021 preview? Thisis the second term! Everybody cpuld see exactly what the country would be getting into!
    - LoganDark 8mo ago
      The first term was just him being an idiot. He's stupid. The second term is Elon dismantling the entire intelligence system, infiltrating every government agency and compromising every datacenter, piping all the data into a centralized database for stalking and mass deportation, etc. While it was absolutely clear that Trump's bad news, I don't think anybody quite predicted the absolute fascism that would spring up, and just how quickly it would overwhelmingly FUCK everything. His first term was relatively harmless but I guess it really rallied the goons, who proceeded to have four entire years to prepare the next dark ages.
      - ajam1507 8mo ago
        > I don't think anybody quite predicted the absolute fascism that would spring up There were plenty of people, we just didn't believe them.
abustamam 8mo ago
They've been around forever, even before Trump's first administration. But a broken clock is right twice a day. Those people also get down voted to oblivion. Their text is gray. I can't read it unless I click the timestamp. Clearly, HN doesn't want us to listen to them. Yes, sometimes they can be combative and inflammatory. But even the ones that are otherwise reasonable get down voted because how dare we insult capitalism and billionaires?
- k33n 8mo ago
  In reality nothing you said is happening on HN. It’s the pro-US and pro-Trump comments that are downvoted and flagged to oblivion.
- stinkbeetle 8mo ago
  > They've been around forever That is "HN". HN is the people who read and post here. > Those people also get down voted to oblivion. Their text is gray. I can't read it unless I click the timestamp. I'm sure some are but quite a few are not because I have been able to see them quite a lot without clicking. > Yes, sometimes they can be combative and inflammatory. But even the ones that are otherwise reasonable get down voted because how dare we insult capitalism and billionaires? I must say that I have never seen that happen, but I don't tend to trawl through a lot of hidden comments. There certainly seem to be some favored billionaires who might upset people to criticize here. Trump is obviously not among them.

LoganDark 8mo ago

You know those people have existed since practically forever, right? You learn to tune it out and then you never notice if they start being less wrong.

wslh 8mo ago
I don't want to spoil Marty Supreme (2025), but there's a provocative line delivered by Kevin O’Leary (yes, the Shark Tank guy): "I was born in 1601. I’m a vampire. I’ve been around forever."
XorNot 8mo ago
It's the surface details problem: people post nice sounding things on the internet but don't think about them and do the nostradamus thing of predicting everything because caused by everything. If you predict a corrupt cartel in "the US" will do a thing, then on a long enough timescale you'll eventually be right in general but wrong about every significant detail. (also the people with this opinion don't seem to do anything with it - it doesn't appear to motivate them to vote, organize, think critically or come up with compromises - they simply turn out to belittle people on the internet while actually acting to normalize new excesses).
stinkbeetle 8mo ago
> You know those people have existed since practically forever, right? Yes. > You learn to tune it out and then you never notice if they start being less wrong. Speak for yourself. I have not tuned them out, I notice them a lot.
- LoganDark 8mo ago
  I don't speak for myself because I don't tune it out either.
  - stinkbeetle 8mo ago
    In that case I don't understand the point of your comment or what in my comment you replied to that you were trying to address with it.

spiderfarmer 8mo ago

I’m one of those criticasters and I’m getting downvoted constantly. I don’t care about the downvotes. I do care about western countries slipping into fascism just because people are so proud to admit they voted for a stupid clown.

LoganDark 8mo ago
I think a lot of voters didn't know what they were getting the country into, or just were too ignorant or misinformed to notice, in voting for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party. There are actual fascists too, of course. I'm just disappointed that they won; the damage has already been immeasurable, and to some extent irreversible, and we're not even halfway into the term.
- teiferer 8mo ago
  > I think a lot of voters didn't know what they were getting the country into You were not around for the 2017-2021 preview? Thisis the second term! Everybody cpuld see exactly what the country would be getting into!
  - LoganDark 8mo ago
    The first term was just him being an idiot. He's stupid. The second term is Elon dismantling the entire intelligence system, infiltrating every government agency and compromising every datacenter, piping all the data into a centralized database for stalking and mass deportation, etc. While it was absolutely clear that Trump's bad news, I don't think anybody quite predicted the absolute fascism that would spring up, and just how quickly it would overwhelmingly FUCK everything. His first term was relatively harmless but I guess it really rallied the goons, who proceeded to have four entire years to prepare the next dark ages.
    - ajam1507 8mo ago
      > I don't think anybody quite predicted the absolute fascism that would spring up There were plenty of people, we just didn't believe them.

abustamam 8mo ago

They've been around forever, even before Trump's first administration. But a broken clock is right twice a day. Those people also get down voted to oblivion. Their text is gray. I can't read it unless I click the timestamp. Clearly, HN doesn't want us to listen to them. Yes, sometimes they can be combative and inflammatory. But even the ones that are otherwise reasonable get down voted because how dare we insult capitalism and billionaires?

k33n 8mo ago
In reality nothing you said is happening on HN. It’s the pro-US and pro-Trump comments that are downvoted and flagged to oblivion.
stinkbeetle 8mo ago
> They've been around forever That is "HN". HN is the people who read and post here. > Those people also get down voted to oblivion. Their text is gray. I can't read it unless I click the timestamp. I'm sure some are but quite a few are not because I have been able to see them quite a lot without clicking. > Yes, sometimes they can be combative and inflammatory. But even the ones that are otherwise reasonable get down voted because how dare we insult capitalism and billionaires? I must say that I have never seen that happen, but I don't tend to trawl through a lot of hidden comments. There certainly seem to be some favored billionaires who might upset people to criticize here. Trump is obviously not among them.