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We have unaligned AIs now. They're called corporations. “There is one and only one social responsibility of business—to use its resources and engage in activit

by Animats 8mo ago

We have unaligned AIs now. They're called corporations. “There is one and only one social responsibility of business—to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud.” - Milton Friedman, 1970.[1] That article, in the New York Times, established "greed is good, greed works" as a legitimate business principle. Most of the problems people are worried about with AIs are already real problems with corporations. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/13/archives/a-friedman-doctrine-the-social-responsibility-of-business-is-to.html https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/13/archives/a-friedman-doctr...

pixl97 8mo ago
https://youtu.be/L5pUA3LsEaw?si=v1pV2byZ4Rv44cR5 https://youtu.be/L5pUA3LsEaw?si=v1pV2byZ4Rv44cR5 Robert Miles on this subject.
coldtea 8mo ago
>so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud LOL
benlivengood 8mo ago
In a sense AIs are extensions of the corporations. Very few large models have been trained outside of a corporate context, and their intended uses are still pretty aligned to corporate interests. Everyone talks about workers losing jobs to AIs and Jack Dorsey lays off a bunch of people in the interests of the corporation, but an ideal corporation would not have a human CEO or board; they embezzle or get old or need to take a vacation or sleep at night. It should be crystal clear to human leaders that their positions are on the chopping block along with blue and white collar work. For some reason they think that individually they will be more powerful than the economic forces driving current layoffs. AGI will not be confused about that.
- whattheheckheck 8mo ago
  Do you think its possible to have an all knowing Ai that if there was only 1, and everyone Brian dumped every night into it and the training loop would consider every stakeholder, it could better process it to formulate policies favorable to everyone?
leonvoss 8mo ago
from my POV, other alleged humans are p zombies and might as well be unaligned AIs. The "united states" giving me a list of commands and an AI king doing the same is no different to me phenomenologically
- Muhammad523 8mo ago
  If the "United States" gives you a command, it may be evil. But there's still reasoning behind it. If an "AI King" gives you a command, well, it's simply guessing the next word in a sentence. In both cases you get a command, but they differ in how they were made.
  - leonvoss 8mo ago
    You're really charitable to the "United States." There is approximately no reason behind what it does for the most part, it's just an AI made out of biological serfs.

by Animats 8mo ago

pixl97 8mo ago

https://youtu.be/L5pUA3LsEaw?si=v1pV2byZ4Rv44cR5 https://youtu.be/L5pUA3LsEaw?si=v1pV2byZ4Rv44cR5 Robert Miles on this subject.

coldtea 8mo ago

>so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud LOL

benlivengood 8mo ago

In a sense AIs are extensions of the corporations. Very few large models have been trained outside of a corporate context, and their intended uses are still pretty aligned to corporate interests. Everyone talks about workers losing jobs to AIs and Jack Dorsey lays off a bunch of people in the interests of the corporation, but an ideal corporation would not have a human CEO or board; they embezzle or get old or need to take a vacation or sleep at night. It should be crystal clear to human leaders that their positions are on the chopping block along with blue and white collar work. For some reason they think that individually they will be more powerful than the economic forces driving current layoffs. AGI will not be confused about that.

whattheheckheck 8mo ago
Do you think its possible to have an all knowing Ai that if there was only 1, and everyone Brian dumped every night into it and the training loop would consider every stakeholder, it could better process it to formulate policies favorable to everyone?

leonvoss 8mo ago

from my POV, other alleged humans are p zombies and might as well be unaligned AIs. The "united states" giving me a list of commands and an AI king doing the same is no different to me phenomenologically

Muhammad523 8mo ago
If the "United States" gives you a command, it may be evil. But there's still reasoning behind it. If an "AI King" gives you a command, well, it's simply guessing the next word in a sentence. In both cases you get a command, but they differ in how they were made.
- leonvoss 8mo ago
  You're really charitable to the "United States." There is approximately no reason behind what it does for the most part, it's just an AI made out of biological serfs.