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the inevitable result is a mass exodus of both capital and top-tier talent To where?

ben_w 8mo ago
Anywhere offering opportunity. I'm in Europe, I'd like to see it come here. The news I see suggests China's ahead of us in this race, but I don't know if that's for all talent, or if it was just an artefact of a lot of Chinese people in the US on work visas returning home. Or indeed whether the news about China doing well here was real or hallucinated by an LLM.
- jakeydus 8mo ago
  If engineers in the US (i.e. me) want to find work in Europe, what can we do? I know that’s a googleable question but honestly I can’t help but think that there cannot be any European country that would want me and my family. Immigration is hard.
  - ben_w 8mo ago
    It is hard. I moved to Germany in 2018, and only just this month reached B1 level in the language; and that was a pre-Brexit move so I don't need to care about visa. The EU has a "blue card" scheme modeled on US green card: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Card_(European_Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Card_(European_Union) If language is your biggest barrier, pick a country whose language you already speak. As this clearly includes English, Ireland if you want specifically EU, and UK if you just want the continent (mainly London, but I spent a long time in Cambridge tech sector). Germany may still be an option even without being a native speaker (depending on your skills), but with all the difficulty everyone has today with AI messing with job hunting, get the contract before considering a move.
  - fernly 8mo ago
    Not that hard if you are in young to middle years and have any job experience. I asked Perplexity "If an American citizen, a trained engineer with some experience, desired to work abroad in the EU or an English-first nation, what are some good websites to check?" I suggest you do the same -- the reply lists a dozen promising sites. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/if-an-american-citizen-a-train-9bmuP5N0TJmLMn3swnSbMw https://www.perplexity.ai/search/if-an-american-citizen-a-tr...
  - yencabulator 8mo ago
    Generally immigrating to Europe is fairly easy if you have an employment offer. And the rest of the family would apply as family members of a resident. With a work offer, there's typically no language requirements (apart from what the work requires). Without a job offer, yeah not gonna happen easily unless you e.g. show an ancestral connection to the specific country.
  - graemep 8mo ago
    The UK has two schemes for skilled worker visas. It depends on the exact occupation and salary offered so you need to get a job.
  - sehansen 8mo ago
    Immigrating to Denmark is somewhat easy if you're an engineer. You have a set of skills that there is a recognized shortage of[0] and you'll be making more than the $70000 that qualifies you to take part in the fast-track scheme.[1] Quite a lot of Danish companies have employees from other EU countries and already use English as their working language. 0: Various kinds of engineers are on the so-called Positive List, see sections 21 & 25 on this page: https://nyidanmark.dk/en-GB/You-want-to-apply/Work/Positive-List-Higher-Education https://nyidanmark.dk/en-GB/You-want-to-apply/Work/Positive-... 1: The supplementary pay limit track requires an annual salary of DKK 446000 (~$70000). This track could close if unemployment rises sharply, but it has been open for 6 out of the last 7 years: https://nyidanmark.dk/en-GB/You-want-to-apply/Work/Fast-track https://nyidanmark.dk/en-GB/You-want-to-apply/Work/Fast-trac...
- spopejoy 8mo ago
  Don't get too complacent, the far right is on the rise in EU, and corruption follows.
  - saidnooneever 8mo ago
    corruption follows :') ... corruption is already there. just the color of the banner is changing. dont be naive.
    - ben_w 8mo ago
      EU isn't perfect, even the best nations within it are not perfect (though still better than the US is or was), but only the worst two EU nations seem to be politically corrupt to the point of "danger" levels. There's plenty of room to fall if people are complacent. General corruption: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
      - bostik 8mo ago
        As a person from a country constantly near the top of that list, I have been saying this for more than two decades: holding the #1 spot in CPI tells nothing how well things are going for a country; it merely highlights how bad things are even for the runner-up.
    - spopejoy 8mo ago
      Naive huh? Right wing/fascist corruption is a serious level-up of corruption. If you think your semi-socialist EU government is corrupt now, just wait until AFD or your local fascist+populist equivalent gets in. Us US-ians are no longer naive. US was certainly corrupt before, and muckrakers had an uphill battle showing how e.g. Democratic admins were subservient to the oligarchy. But Trump has certainly taken this to a new level, and while it's a little bit sanity-enhancing to finally have middle-of-the-road friends see how bad things are for once, the brazen-ness of it all is nothing to celebrate. What's more, it's precisely what happened with Putin, Orban, Berlusconi, Modi, Bukele &c &c &c. The right wing seeks to "finish the job" of private capture of public interests, and the populist side of it adds the mafioso "all in the family" touch where corporations explicitly kiss the ring.
- graemep 8mo ago
  I am not convinced. Lots of people in Europe were connected to Epstein's network and engaged in corrupt practices - it is allegations of these that lead to the two high profile arrests in the UK. Norway has just charged a former Prime Minster (also a former Secretary General of the Council of Europe) with corruption. The US is probably more corrupt that the most developed European countries, but they have also been becoming more corrupt.
  - iririririr 8mo ago
    wow. you're comparing EU: crimes happened, were exposed, people suffered consequences, with USA: no criminal suffered anything, president joining on a genocide for real state deals bribe, etc. kinda a stretch, don't you think?
    - graemep 8mo ago
      How many people have suffered consequences anyway? Epstein ran a large sex abuse network and and even larger corruption network. How many people have been sentenced so far? How many are even being investigated? While most of the network in in the US, there are very many highly placed people in Europe who will have been involved, and so far only a few have suffered. One Norwegian charged, two in the UK under investigation arrested and released. > wow. you're comparing EU Apart from the investigation in France, have guilty parties in any EU countries been charged, convicted, or are even facing invetigation?
      - sehansen 8mo ago
        Next to no-one has been charged since Epstein was arrested by the US and they memory-holed his files until a few months ago. There weren't anything to base an investigation on until very recently.
      - iririririr 8mo ago
        are you really not following uk Prince, Netherlands prime minister, france probes, etc etc?
AndroTux 8mo ago
Europe is nice this time of year
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rssoconnor 8mo ago
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ben_w 8mo ago

Anywhere offering opportunity. I'm in Europe, I'd like to see it come here. The news I see suggests China's ahead of us in this race, but I don't know if that's for all talent, or if it was just an artefact of a lot of Chinese people in the US on work visas returning home. Or indeed whether the news about China doing well here was real or hallucinated by an LLM.

jakeydus 8mo ago
If engineers in the US (i.e. me) want to find work in Europe, what can we do? I know that’s a googleable question but honestly I can’t help but think that there cannot be any European country that would want me and my family. Immigration is hard.
- ben_w 8mo ago
  It is hard. I moved to Germany in 2018, and only just this month reached B1 level in the language; and that was a pre-Brexit move so I don't need to care about visa. The EU has a "blue card" scheme modeled on US green card: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Card_(European_Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Card_(European_Union) If language is your biggest barrier, pick a country whose language you already speak. As this clearly includes English, Ireland if you want specifically EU, and UK if you just want the continent (mainly London, but I spent a long time in Cambridge tech sector). Germany may still be an option even without being a native speaker (depending on your skills), but with all the difficulty everyone has today with AI messing with job hunting, get the contract before considering a move.
- fernly 8mo ago
  Not that hard if you are in young to middle years and have any job experience. I asked Perplexity "If an American citizen, a trained engineer with some experience, desired to work abroad in the EU or an English-first nation, what are some good websites to check?" I suggest you do the same -- the reply lists a dozen promising sites. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/if-an-american-citizen-a-train-9bmuP5N0TJmLMn3swnSbMw https://www.perplexity.ai/search/if-an-american-citizen-a-tr...
- yencabulator 8mo ago
  Generally immigrating to Europe is fairly easy if you have an employment offer. And the rest of the family would apply as family members of a resident. With a work offer, there's typically no language requirements (apart from what the work requires). Without a job offer, yeah not gonna happen easily unless you e.g. show an ancestral connection to the specific country.
- graemep 8mo ago
  The UK has two schemes for skilled worker visas. It depends on the exact occupation and salary offered so you need to get a job.
- sehansen 8mo ago
  Immigrating to Denmark is somewhat easy if you're an engineer. You have a set of skills that there is a recognized shortage of[0] and you'll be making more than the $70000 that qualifies you to take part in the fast-track scheme.[1] Quite a lot of Danish companies have employees from other EU countries and already use English as their working language. 0: Various kinds of engineers are on the so-called Positive List, see sections 21 & 25 on this page: https://nyidanmark.dk/en-GB/You-want-to-apply/Work/Positive-List-Higher-Education https://nyidanmark.dk/en-GB/You-want-to-apply/Work/Positive-... 1: The supplementary pay limit track requires an annual salary of DKK 446000 (~$70000). This track could close if unemployment rises sharply, but it has been open for 6 out of the last 7 years: https://nyidanmark.dk/en-GB/You-want-to-apply/Work/Fast-track https://nyidanmark.dk/en-GB/You-want-to-apply/Work/Fast-trac...
spopejoy 8mo ago
Don't get too complacent, the far right is on the rise in EU, and corruption follows.
- saidnooneever 8mo ago
  corruption follows :') ... corruption is already there. just the color of the banner is changing. dont be naive.
  - ben_w 8mo ago
    EU isn't perfect, even the best nations within it are not perfect (though still better than the US is or was), but only the worst two EU nations seem to be politically corrupt to the point of "danger" levels. There's plenty of room to fall if people are complacent. General corruption: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
    - bostik 8mo ago
      As a person from a country constantly near the top of that list, I have been saying this for more than two decades: holding the #1 spot in CPI tells nothing how well things are going for a country; it merely highlights how bad things are even for the runner-up.
  - spopejoy 8mo ago
    Naive huh? Right wing/fascist corruption is a serious level-up of corruption. If you think your semi-socialist EU government is corrupt now, just wait until AFD or your local fascist+populist equivalent gets in. Us US-ians are no longer naive. US was certainly corrupt before, and muckrakers had an uphill battle showing how e.g. Democratic admins were subservient to the oligarchy. But Trump has certainly taken this to a new level, and while it's a little bit sanity-enhancing to finally have middle-of-the-road friends see how bad things are for once, the brazen-ness of it all is nothing to celebrate. What's more, it's precisely what happened with Putin, Orban, Berlusconi, Modi, Bukele &c &c &c. The right wing seeks to "finish the job" of private capture of public interests, and the populist side of it adds the mafioso "all in the family" touch where corporations explicitly kiss the ring.
graemep 8mo ago
I am not convinced. Lots of people in Europe were connected to Epstein's network and engaged in corrupt practices - it is allegations of these that lead to the two high profile arrests in the UK. Norway has just charged a former Prime Minster (also a former Secretary General of the Council of Europe) with corruption. The US is probably more corrupt that the most developed European countries, but they have also been becoming more corrupt.
- iririririr 8mo ago
  wow. you're comparing EU: crimes happened, were exposed, people suffered consequences, with USA: no criminal suffered anything, president joining on a genocide for real state deals bribe, etc. kinda a stretch, don't you think?
  - graemep 8mo ago
    How many people have suffered consequences anyway? Epstein ran a large sex abuse network and and even larger corruption network. How many people have been sentenced so far? How many are even being investigated? While most of the network in in the US, there are very many highly placed people in Europe who will have been involved, and so far only a few have suffered. One Norwegian charged, two in the UK under investigation arrested and released. > wow. you're comparing EU Apart from the investigation in France, have guilty parties in any EU countries been charged, convicted, or are even facing invetigation?
    - sehansen 8mo ago
      Next to no-one has been charged since Epstein was arrested by the US and they memory-holed his files until a few months ago. There weren't anything to base an investigation on until very recently.
    - iririririr 8mo ago
      are you really not following uk Prince, Netherlands prime minister, france probes, etc etc?

AndroTux 8mo ago

Europe is nice this time of year

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rssoconnor 8mo ago

https://totalrealreturns.com/n/VTI,VXUS?start=2025-01-20 https://totalrealreturns.com/n/VTI,VXUS?start=2025-01-20