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> The US has absolutely no business attacking Iran. Iran's theocratic regime just murdered tens of thousands of protestors, regularly organizes chants of "Deat

by kyboren 8mo ago

> The US has absolutely no business attacking Iran. Iran's theocratic regime just murdered tens of thousands of protestors, regularly organizes chants of "Death to America", calls the US "The Great Satan", sponsors terror organizations all around the region, has (through their Houthi proxies) cut off critical sea lanes in one of the most strategic areas, is very close to developing nuclear weapons (with enough HEU already to build maybe a dozen bombs), has extensive ballistic missile magazines and expertise, and is working on ICBMs explicitly to reach the US homeland. But oh yeah, this is totally unprovoked and the US has no business attacking Iran. Right.

sosomoxie 8mo ago
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- Redoubts 8mo ago
  > There's absolutely no proof that happened. Pathetic.
  - sosomoxie 8mo ago
    What I said is factual. We're already seeing pictures of murdered children coming out of Iran, just like we did with Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon... Not a single shred of evidence has been produced to back the claim that Iran murdered anyone, let alone tens of thousands of people.
    - kyboren 8mo ago
      What you said is a pathetic lie. The regime itself claims they killed over 3000. https://apnews.com/article/iran-protests-memorials-chehelom-71e5db503a287126a2d31cb32a2809eb https://apnews.com/article/iran-protests-memorials-chehelom-... https://apnews.com/article/iran-protests-crackdown-hospitals-326f127b5fef610a89f89e5c164b473c https://apnews.com/article/iran-protests-crackdown-hospitals... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2026/02/20/how-many-protesters-have-been-killed-in-iran/88784701007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2026/02/20/how-man... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62v248xkl5o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62v248xkl5o Honestly I don't even know why I bother. You're not debating in good faith.
      - sosomoxie 8mo ago
        I'll save everyone the clicks: there's no evidence of Iran claiming they killed over 3000 people in any of these articles. There's a claim they said this, but as with all reporting about Iran, no proof. Also, 3000 is not "tens of thousands".
        kyboren 8mo ago
        It looks like you saved yourself the clicks. "The Human Rights Activists News Agency says it confirmed more than 7,000 deaths and that it is investigating thousands more. The government has acknowledged more than 3,000 killed, though it has undercounted or not reported fatalities from past unrest." - https://apnews.com/article/iran-campus-protests-crackdown-54149e9d49fe022d840f71eb5f5be106 https://apnews.com/article/iran-campus-protests-crackdown-54... '"I would put the minimum estimates to be 5,000 plus," Mai Soto, the United Nations’ special rapporteur on Iran, said in an interview with ABC Australia. Soto noted 5,000 dead is a "conservative" or "the minimum" estimate. Other credible estimates, she said, indicate as many as 20,000.' - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2026/02/20/how-many-protesters-have-been-killed-in-iran/88784701007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2026/02/20/how-man... > as with all reporting about Iran, no proof. In the same way there's no proof humans ever walked on the moon, I suppose.
        sosomoxie 8mo ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Activists_in_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Activists_in_Iran > the organization is based in Fairfax, Virginia, United States
        kyboren 8mo ago
        It's constant deflection with you people. You can never actually address the facts head on; just deflect with "there's no evidence", pivot to "there's no proof", then cast aspersions on the most disagreeable messenger. You have previously intimated that you are also in the United States. Should I dismiss your arguments because you're allegedly based in the US, too?
za3faran 8mo ago
It's amazing to see the justification done by some people to attack other sovereign countries. Did not america learn from the fake WMD fiasco with Iraq?
- kyboren 8mo ago
  > fake WMD fiasco https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-stored-highly-enriched-uranium-underground-site-iaea-report-says-2026-02-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-stored-highly... The IAEA estimates that Iran had 440.9 kg of uranium enriched to up to 60% before last year's Israeli-U.S. attacks - enough, if enriched further, for 10 nuclear weapons, according to an IAEA yardstick. The agency and Western powers believe the bulk of that is still intact. Washington wants Tehran to give it up. I seem to have missed the IAEA report on Iraq's 400+ kilos of HEU.
  - za3faran 8mo ago
    >> *if enriched further* Keyword there. They said they were not pursuing weapon enrichment. Let's also not pretend that the US and israel care about international law, after all, there are arrest warrants by the ICC against israeli officials.
    - kyboren 8mo ago
      60% is very close to 93%; see my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47198239 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47198239 > They said they were not pursuing weapon enrichment. There is literally no other reason for Iran to enrich to 60% U235 than for weapons.
      - za3faran 8mo ago
        https://youtu.be/MG93nnyxY1g?t=457 https://youtu.be/MG93nnyxY1g?t=457
  - epolanski 8mo ago
    Jm2c but I wonder how people can be surprised that Iran wanted to build a nuclear weapon, especially after the US under Trump's first presidency pulled out the nuclear deal struck under Obama and cornered Iran even more. Like do people in US realize that countries around the world take notes about what happened to the Libyas and Iraqs and many others (like Colombia recently) and see that the US will attack other countries with impunity.

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sosomoxie 8mo ago

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Redoubts 8mo ago
> There's absolutely no proof that happened. Pathetic.
- sosomoxie 8mo ago
  What I said is factual. We're already seeing pictures of murdered children coming out of Iran, just like we did with Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon... Not a single shred of evidence has been produced to back the claim that Iran murdered anyone, let alone tens of thousands of people.
  - kyboren 8mo ago
    What you said is a pathetic lie. The regime itself claims they killed over 3000. https://apnews.com/article/iran-protests-memorials-chehelom-71e5db503a287126a2d31cb32a2809eb https://apnews.com/article/iran-protests-memorials-chehelom-... https://apnews.com/article/iran-protests-crackdown-hospitals-326f127b5fef610a89f89e5c164b473c https://apnews.com/article/iran-protests-crackdown-hospitals... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2026/02/20/how-many-protesters-have-been-killed-in-iran/88784701007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2026/02/20/how-man... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62v248xkl5o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62v248xkl5o Honestly I don't even know why I bother. You're not debating in good faith.
    - sosomoxie 8mo ago
      I'll save everyone the clicks: there's no evidence of Iran claiming they killed over 3000 people in any of these articles. There's a claim they said this, but as with all reporting about Iran, no proof. Also, 3000 is not "tens of thousands".
      - kyboren 8mo ago
        It looks like you saved yourself the clicks. "The Human Rights Activists News Agency says it confirmed more than 7,000 deaths and that it is investigating thousands more. The government has acknowledged more than 3,000 killed, though it has undercounted or not reported fatalities from past unrest." - https://apnews.com/article/iran-campus-protests-crackdown-54149e9d49fe022d840f71eb5f5be106 https://apnews.com/article/iran-campus-protests-crackdown-54... '"I would put the minimum estimates to be 5,000 plus," Mai Soto, the United Nations’ special rapporteur on Iran, said in an interview with ABC Australia. Soto noted 5,000 dead is a "conservative" or "the minimum" estimate. Other credible estimates, she said, indicate as many as 20,000.' - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2026/02/20/how-many-protesters-have-been-killed-in-iran/88784701007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2026/02/20/how-man... > as with all reporting about Iran, no proof. In the same way there's no proof humans ever walked on the moon, I suppose.
        sosomoxie 8mo ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Activists_in_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Activists_in_Iran > the organization is based in Fairfax, Virginia, United States
        kyboren 8mo ago
        It's constant deflection with you people. You can never actually address the facts head on; just deflect with "there's no evidence", pivot to "there's no proof", then cast aspersions on the most disagreeable messenger. You have previously intimated that you are also in the United States. Should I dismiss your arguments because you're allegedly based in the US, too?

za3faran 8mo ago

It's amazing to see the justification done by some people to attack other sovereign countries. Did not america learn from the fake WMD fiasco with Iraq?

kyboren 8mo ago
> fake WMD fiasco https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-stored-highly-enriched-uranium-underground-site-iaea-report-says-2026-02-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-stored-highly... The IAEA estimates that Iran had 440.9 kg of uranium enriched to up to 60% before last year's Israeli-U.S. attacks - enough, if enriched further, for 10 nuclear weapons, according to an IAEA yardstick. The agency and Western powers believe the bulk of that is still intact. Washington wants Tehran to give it up. I seem to have missed the IAEA report on Iraq's 400+ kilos of HEU.
- za3faran 8mo ago
  >> *if enriched further* Keyword there. They said they were not pursuing weapon enrichment. Let's also not pretend that the US and israel care about international law, after all, there are arrest warrants by the ICC against israeli officials.
  - kyboren 8mo ago
    60% is very close to 93%; see my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47198239 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47198239 > They said they were not pursuing weapon enrichment. There is literally no other reason for Iran to enrich to 60% U235 than for weapons.
    - za3faran 8mo ago
      https://youtu.be/MG93nnyxY1g?t=457 https://youtu.be/MG93nnyxY1g?t=457
- epolanski 8mo ago
  Jm2c but I wonder how people can be surprised that Iran wanted to build a nuclear weapon, especially after the US under Trump's first presidency pulled out the nuclear deal struck under Obama and cornered Iran even more. Like do people in US realize that countries around the world take notes about what happened to the Libyas and Iraqs and many others (like Colombia recently) and see that the US will attack other countries with impunity.