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You forgot the genocide they have going and the current attempt to starve Cuba into submission with their little "blockade"

by m_ke 7mo ago

reliabilityguy 7mo ago
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- hiddencost 7mo ago
  They're engaged in willful destruction of hospitals, they kill journalists on purpose, they have systematically blocked aid. Their friend minister recently declared an intent to eliminate all Palestinian territory. You're just lying.
  - reliabilityguy 7mo ago
    > They're engaged in willful destruction of hospitals If a civilian facility is used for military purposes it is a legitimate target. Ukranians also bomb schools and hospitals. Are Ukranians commit genocide? If a hospital is never be attacked, what prevents militaries simply use hospitals as military bases? It's like the ultimate "get out of jail" free card. > they kill journalists on purpose US also did in Iraq. And? Does it make US's invasion of Iraq a genocide? Ukranians killed Russian journalists too. Does it make the war in Ukraine a genocide? > they have systematically blocked aid Egypt did so as well. Moreover, despite its international obligations, Egypt refused to accept Palestinian refugees as if it wanted a lot of civilians to die. > Their friend minister recently declared an intent to eliminate all Palestinian territory. You mean politicians pandering to their base? > You're just lying. Sure.
    - primroot 7mo ago
      Please provide sources. Genocide is not a matter of cherry-picking or of opinion. People who take this debate seriously look into context and evidence with a level of detail that goes beyond what can be covered here. Anyone interested in arguments and counterarguments will inevitable have to refer to authorities in the matter who have the background, time and resources.
      - reliabilityguy 7mo ago
        > Please provide sources. Sources to what? Laws of war? W.r.t. hospitals, you can read this article: https://lieber.westpoint.edu/legal-protection-hospitals-during-armed-conflict/ https://lieber.westpoint.edu/legal-protection-hospitals-duri... This piece in particular: > The ICRC’s Commentary cites as examples “firing at the enemy for reasons other than individual self-defence, installing a firing position in a medical post, the use of a hospital as a shelter for able-bodied combatants, as an arms or ammunition dump, or as a military observation post.” It also states that “transmitting information of military value” or being used “as a centre for liaison with fighting troops” results in loss of protection. So, given that Palestinians used schools consistently to hide weapons, are you saying that it never happens? It seems to me completely unreasonable to claim that Israelis destroyed "all the schools, hospitals, universities because they want genocide" very questionable given that Palestinians used civilian infrastructure and NGOs for its resistance in the past. If they did it, why won't they do it again? Link: https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns... > Genocide is not a matter of cherry-picking or of opinion. Of course not. It is also not a a single %. > People who take this debate seriously look into context and evidence with a level of detail that goes beyond what can be covered here. Anyone interested in arguments and counterarguments will inevitable have to refer to authorities in the matter who have the background, time and resources. Absolutely. However, people here are using the term genocide as it is a settled matter. Moreover, their whole reasoning boils down to metrics that either show that any war is a genocide, or have no bearing at all.
      - autoexec 7mo ago
        Don't bother. He just effectively argued that there are no illegitimate targets in war because soldiers can be anywhere and that hospitals must be targeted or else they are "get out of jail free cards" whatever the fuck that means. War is war, but war crimes are still war crimes. No point trying to have rational discourse with someone advocating for war crimes.
        reliabilityguy 7mo ago
        > He just effectively argued that there are no illegitimate targets in war No, this is not what I've said. > because soldiers can be anywhere and that hospitals must be targeted or else they are "get out of jail free cards" whatever the fuck that means. The law is clear in this regard. If you use hospital for military purposes, it is a valid target. > War is war, but war crimes are still war crimes. When a hospital is used for military purposes and then attacked, it is not a war crime from the PoV of international law. You may not like it, but it is a fact. > No point trying to have rational discourse with someone advocating for war crimes. I think you are irrational here. Your reasoning is based on emotions, and not facts.
    - Svoka 7mo ago
      Russian invasion of Ukraine is absolutely a genocidal war, with genocidal claims spoken out loud and actions documented, tens of thousands of times. Never heard someone in USA claiming that Iraqis or Iranians had no right to exist, saying that they are not a real country and/or nation. This rhetoric is pretty much main stream in russia and used to justify ongoing genocide.
- m_ke 7mo ago
  50% as in the barely armed males that were killed like fish in a barrel https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00522-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-1... > Women, children (ie, younger than 18 years), and older people (ie, older than 64 years) comprised 56·2% (95% CI 50·4–61·9) of violent deaths
  - reliabilityguy 7mo ago
    I am not sure what is the point you are trying to make with these stats. It is clear that if half of the killed were militants, the other half is not by definition. 50% of casualties being civilians does not mean it is a genocide.
    - m_ke 7mo ago
      if you slaughter civilians and label all males as combatants you conveniently get a near 50% militant death rate don't play dumb, there's a reason israel is not letting foreign media into gaza and slaughtering local journalists at a rate never seen in history of war
      - reliabilityguy 7mo ago
        > if you slaughter civilians and label all males as combatants you conveniently get a near 50% militant death rate Say the ratio is 1:4, then what? > don't play dumb, there's a reason israel is not letting foreign media into gaza and slaughtering local journalists at a rate never seen in history of war And, at the same time, they keep all the internet links alive so that Palestinians can show the whole world the "genocide"? Like, do you really think that Israelis are that dumb? Islamic Republic shut down the internet to hide the scope of butchery, but Israelis did not figure it out?
        m_ke 7mo ago
        yes poor israel with it's nukes and iron dome is being oppressed by a bunch of women and children living in an open prison now please tell me what you'd like to see happen with the remaining palestinians and what you expect to happen in the middle east after you destabilize another major country in the region

You forgot the genocide they have going and the current attempt to starve Cuba into submission with their little "blockade"

by m_ke 7mo ago

You forgot the genocide they have going and the current attempt to starve Cuba into submission with their little "blockade"

reliabilityguy 7mo ago

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hiddencost 7mo ago
They're engaged in willful destruction of hospitals, they kill journalists on purpose, they have systematically blocked aid. Their friend minister recently declared an intent to eliminate all Palestinian territory. You're just lying.
- reliabilityguy 7mo ago
  > They're engaged in willful destruction of hospitals If a civilian facility is used for military purposes it is a legitimate target. Ukranians also bomb schools and hospitals. Are Ukranians commit genocide? If a hospital is never be attacked, what prevents militaries simply use hospitals as military bases? It's like the ultimate "get out of jail" free card. > they kill journalists on purpose US also did in Iraq. And? Does it make US's invasion of Iraq a genocide? Ukranians killed Russian journalists too. Does it make the war in Ukraine a genocide? > they have systematically blocked aid Egypt did so as well. Moreover, despite its international obligations, Egypt refused to accept Palestinian refugees as if it wanted a lot of civilians to die. > Their friend minister recently declared an intent to eliminate all Palestinian territory. You mean politicians pandering to their base? > You're just lying. Sure.
  - primroot 7mo ago
    Please provide sources. Genocide is not a matter of cherry-picking or of opinion. People who take this debate seriously look into context and evidence with a level of detail that goes beyond what can be covered here. Anyone interested in arguments and counterarguments will inevitable have to refer to authorities in the matter who have the background, time and resources.
    - reliabilityguy 7mo ago
      > Please provide sources. Sources to what? Laws of war? W.r.t. hospitals, you can read this article: https://lieber.westpoint.edu/legal-protection-hospitals-during-armed-conflict/ https://lieber.westpoint.edu/legal-protection-hospitals-duri... This piece in particular: > The ICRC’s Commentary cites as examples “firing at the enemy for reasons other than individual self-defence, installing a firing position in a medical post, the use of a hospital as a shelter for able-bodied combatants, as an arms or ammunition dump, or as a military observation post.” It also states that “transmitting information of military value” or being used “as a centre for liaison with fighting troops” results in loss of protection. So, given that Palestinians used schools consistently to hide weapons, are you saying that it never happens? It seems to me completely unreasonable to claim that Israelis destroyed "all the schools, hospitals, universities because they want genocide" very questionable given that Palestinians used civilian infrastructure and NGOs for its resistance in the past. If they did it, why won't they do it again? Link: https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns... > Genocide is not a matter of cherry-picking or of opinion. Of course not. It is also not a a single %. > People who take this debate seriously look into context and evidence with a level of detail that goes beyond what can be covered here. Anyone interested in arguments and counterarguments will inevitable have to refer to authorities in the matter who have the background, time and resources. Absolutely. However, people here are using the term genocide as it is a settled matter. Moreover, their whole reasoning boils down to metrics that either show that any war is a genocide, or have no bearing at all.
    - autoexec 7mo ago
      Don't bother. He just effectively argued that there are no illegitimate targets in war because soldiers can be anywhere and that hospitals must be targeted or else they are "get out of jail free cards" whatever the fuck that means. War is war, but war crimes are still war crimes. No point trying to have rational discourse with someone advocating for war crimes.
      - reliabilityguy 7mo ago
        > He just effectively argued that there are no illegitimate targets in war No, this is not what I've said. > because soldiers can be anywhere and that hospitals must be targeted or else they are "get out of jail free cards" whatever the fuck that means. The law is clear in this regard. If you use hospital for military purposes, it is a valid target. > War is war, but war crimes are still war crimes. When a hospital is used for military purposes and then attacked, it is not a war crime from the PoV of international law. You may not like it, but it is a fact. > No point trying to have rational discourse with someone advocating for war crimes. I think you are irrational here. Your reasoning is based on emotions, and not facts.
  - Svoka 7mo ago
    Russian invasion of Ukraine is absolutely a genocidal war, with genocidal claims spoken out loud and actions documented, tens of thousands of times. Never heard someone in USA claiming that Iraqis or Iranians had no right to exist, saying that they are not a real country and/or nation. This rhetoric is pretty much main stream in russia and used to justify ongoing genocide.
m_ke 7mo ago
50% as in the barely armed males that were killed like fish in a barrel https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00522-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-1... > Women, children (ie, younger than 18 years), and older people (ie, older than 64 years) comprised 56·2% (95% CI 50·4–61·9) of violent deaths
- reliabilityguy 7mo ago
  I am not sure what is the point you are trying to make with these stats. It is clear that if half of the killed were militants, the other half is not by definition. 50% of casualties being civilians does not mean it is a genocide.
  - m_ke 7mo ago
    if you slaughter civilians and label all males as combatants you conveniently get a near 50% militant death rate don't play dumb, there's a reason israel is not letting foreign media into gaza and slaughtering local journalists at a rate never seen in history of war
    - reliabilityguy 7mo ago
      > if you slaughter civilians and label all males as combatants you conveniently get a near 50% militant death rate Say the ratio is 1:4, then what? > don't play dumb, there's a reason israel is not letting foreign media into gaza and slaughtering local journalists at a rate never seen in history of war And, at the same time, they keep all the internet links alive so that Palestinians can show the whole world the "genocide"? Like, do you really think that Israelis are that dumb? Islamic Republic shut down the internet to hide the scope of butchery, but Israelis did not figure it out?
      - m_ke 7mo ago
        yes poor israel with it's nukes and iron dome is being oppressed by a bunch of women and children living in an open prison now please tell me what you'd like to see happen with the remaining palestinians and what you expect to happen in the middle east after you destabilize another major country in the region