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Next week Anthropic will do something evil and everyone will be moving back to OpenAI. Crazy thought but maybe we should regulate AI instead of relying on the

by cedws 8mo ago

Next week Anthropic will do something evil and everyone will be moving back to OpenAI. Crazy thought but maybe we should regulate AI instead of relying on the hegemony of three companies to police themselves.

Jare 8mo ago
The problem is, who is "we". When EU tries to regulate AI, they are accused of being against progress and will destroy their economies. Any regulation that Trump would place on AI would be of the "do what I say and f*k up my opponents" kind. Which arguably is already happening.
droidjj 8mo ago
I’m all for regulation of AI, but that’s not a serious solution where the problem is the government pressuring private companies to do evil things. Consumer pressure isn’t much, but it’s not nothing.
sandman83 8mo ago
capitalism cannot progress with regulation
- droidjj 8mo ago
  *without?
notahacker 8mo ago
Sure, but the reality is that the United States where these companies are headquartered currently has the exact opposite policy: Anthropic has been blacklisted by the DoW (and replaced by OpenAI) because the US administration thought that the very limited amount of self-regulation Anthropic insisted on was going too far.
- Ylpertnodi 8mo ago
  Isn't it still the DoD, untill congress changes the name?
  - brookst 8mo ago
    Deadnaming is bad behavior. If they are calling themselves DoW, DoW it is.
wraptile 8mo ago
Whom do we trust regulation with? Current US admin which is being run by team idiocracy, Europe that is run by senile men who don't even understand tech or can't even come to a consensus on smallest of issues or China which only does things that benefit their autocrats? The issue is much more complex than "just regulate it" unfortunately.
- eevahr 8mo ago
  What if the issue is that we always think valuable change to be too complex and therefore not worthwhile?
  - AntiDyatlov 8mo ago
    We don't really have input on how the change goes down, and it seems no one is capable of sensibly regulating AI.
  - wraptile 8mo ago
    Dunno but seems like we need a lot of good strategies for this. It's a tough problem that needs to be solved with dedication.
mkoubaa 8mo ago
We don't regulate, governments do.
JimmyBuckets 8mo ago
We need an AI workers union. The real power and discernment is in the hands of the people building these systems. They are extremely difficult to replace and firing them basically guarantees they go to a competitor. https://notdivided.org/ https://notdivided.org/ is basically validation that there is appetite for something like this amongst them.
angry_octet 8mo ago
Maybe we should regulate Government.
voganmother42 8mo ago
Is this how you justify not doing anything?
- jatora 8mo ago
  Is this how you justify doing pointless things?
  - voganmother42 8mo ago
    Cancelling my account may be a small action but it is not pointless. Expressing my views and voting with my wallet is my right. Even your seemingly pointless question is a good reminder of the impact we can have - thanks!
JohnnyMarcone 8mo ago
This is obviously the ideal, but we have to operate in reality as it is today while pushing in the direction of the ideal.
brookst 8mo ago
What does “regulate AI” even mean? The applications it can be used for? That doesn’t work, it’s the governments that want abusive applications. The size of models? That doesn’t work, it just discourages MoE. Access by consumers? Great, now it’s just for megacorps and the military. What, exactly, would successful regulation look like?
- lobsterthief 8mo ago
  “Don’t use it to control autonomous weapons” We agreed and [largely] adhere to chemical weapons bans; perhaps this could be treated similarly
eleventen 8mo ago
> Next week Anthropic will do something evil and everyone will be moving back to OpenAI. Anthropic has been, relatively speaking, the most responsible of the frontier labs since its founding. There has never been a point at which OpenAI took a more measured and reasonable approach while Anthropic proceeded dangerously. These are relative terms, but you'd have to not be paying attention to find this plausible.

by cedws 8mo ago

Jare 8mo ago

The problem is, who is "we". When EU tries to regulate AI, they are accused of being against progress and will destroy their economies. Any regulation that Trump would place on AI would be of the "do what I say and f*k up my opponents" kind. Which arguably is already happening.

droidjj 8mo ago

I’m all for regulation of AI, but that’s not a serious solution where the problem is the government pressuring private companies to do evil things. Consumer pressure isn’t much, but it’s not nothing.

sandman83 8mo ago

capitalism cannot progress with regulation

droidjj 8mo ago
*without?

notahacker 8mo ago

Sure, but the reality is that the United States where these companies are headquartered currently has the exact opposite policy: Anthropic has been blacklisted by the DoW (and replaced by OpenAI) because the US administration thought that the very limited amount of self-regulation Anthropic insisted on was going too far.

Ylpertnodi 8mo ago
Isn't it still the DoD, untill congress changes the name?
- brookst 8mo ago
  Deadnaming is bad behavior. If they are calling themselves DoW, DoW it is.

wraptile 8mo ago

Whom do we trust regulation with? Current US admin which is being run by team idiocracy, Europe that is run by senile men who don't even understand tech or can't even come to a consensus on smallest of issues or China which only does things that benefit their autocrats? The issue is much more complex than "just regulate it" unfortunately.

eevahr 8mo ago
What if the issue is that we always think valuable change to be too complex and therefore not worthwhile?
- AntiDyatlov 8mo ago
  We don't really have input on how the change goes down, and it seems no one is capable of sensibly regulating AI.
- wraptile 8mo ago
  Dunno but seems like we need a lot of good strategies for this. It's a tough problem that needs to be solved with dedication.

mkoubaa 8mo ago

We don't regulate, governments do.

JimmyBuckets 8mo ago

We need an AI workers union. The real power and discernment is in the hands of the people building these systems. They are extremely difficult to replace and firing them basically guarantees they go to a competitor. https://notdivided.org/ https://notdivided.org/ is basically validation that there is appetite for something like this amongst them.

angry_octet 8mo ago

Maybe we should regulate Government.

voganmother42 8mo ago

Is this how you justify not doing anything?

jatora 8mo ago
Is this how you justify doing pointless things?
- voganmother42 8mo ago
  Cancelling my account may be a small action but it is not pointless. Expressing my views and voting with my wallet is my right. Even your seemingly pointless question is a good reminder of the impact we can have - thanks!

JohnnyMarcone 8mo ago

This is obviously the ideal, but we have to operate in reality as it is today while pushing in the direction of the ideal.

brookst 8mo ago

What does “regulate AI” even mean? The applications it can be used for? That doesn’t work, it’s the governments that want abusive applications. The size of models? That doesn’t work, it just discourages MoE. Access by consumers? Great, now it’s just for megacorps and the military. What, exactly, would successful regulation look like?

lobsterthief 8mo ago
“Don’t use it to control autonomous weapons” We agreed and [largely] adhere to chemical weapons bans; perhaps this could be treated similarly

eleventen 8mo ago

> Next week Anthropic will do something evil and everyone will be moving back to OpenAI. Anthropic has been, relatively speaking, the most responsible of the frontier labs since its founding. There has never been a point at which OpenAI took a more measured and reasonable approach while Anthropic proceeded dangerously. These are relative terms, but you'd have to not be paying attention to find this plausible.