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Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environmen

Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion? I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here

JasonADrury 7mo ago
>Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion? I hope this particularly weak whataboutism helps you feel better about your indefensible moral position. > fight for the values of this country from here Apartheid being one of the core values worth fighting for, apparently.
- null_deref 7mo ago
  Haha you literally asking me to leave my roots and friends and family and I have a weak arguments? Your arguments detached from reality. I cut my salary to be involved politically, I believe in a future of peace. You can rest assured I engage in what’s right far more than you
  - JasonADrury 7mo ago
    > I believe in a future of peace What does that look like to you? I'm sure Hamas would say the same, it's just about how that peace is reached and how it looks like in the end. The typical Israeli vision of peace isn't any better than the typical Palestinian vision of peace.
    - null_deref 7mo ago
      I’m not a politician nor all the information is available to me on what can be done and what not My moral compass says the following - 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements 2. Creating a situation were any Palestinian can live respectfully, feed their family and get education From there state decision should be far more easier.
      - cultofmetatron 7mo ago
        > 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements perfectly reasonable ask. 3 years ago, I would have been perfectly fine if they demonstrated interest in that. Instead we have people like Ben gvir openly spout ethnosupremacist vitriol that would make hitler blush. Now my instagram is full of that man touring prisons where he brags about executing people who clearly show signs of torture. (and this is what they are COMFORTABLE SHOWING) between that and his approval ratings (60% of israelis want to relocate Palestinians somewhere else Its clear that the whole society is rotten from the top down. frankly, I just want this madness to end.
      - JasonADrury 7mo ago
        > First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements Is that possible? Especially given the birth rate differences between the genuine religious nutjobs and normal people?
    - halflife 7mo ago
      Peace for Hamas is eradicating all the Jews. Peace for Israelis is coexistence. Look at egypt or Jordan for reference.
      - JasonADrury 7mo ago
        So why hasn't Israel just been granting all Palestinians citizenship? It's not really about coexistence, is it? Rather than existing together, it's at best about existing separately. >Peace for Hamas is eradicating all the Jews. Which is a perfectly natural position considering the historic relationship here.
        halflife 7mo ago
        Why? First of all, we tried to give citizenship to Palestinians in East Jerusalem, they refuse. Second, are you suggesting to annex Gaza and th West Bank, and giving them citizenship? That means the come election, Hamas would be the biggest party in the Knesset, revoke all democratic rights, and create a sharia state. That will be the end of the only democracy in the Middle East.
        JasonADrury 7mo ago
        So Palestinians who effectively live under Israeli governance shouldn't be given a vote because their political opinions are wrong in your opinion?
        halflife 7mo ago
        What do you mean by effectively under Israeli governance? In Jerusalem they refuse citizenship. In the West Bank they are Palestinian citizens, in Gaza they are Gazan citizens, not my fault that both sides chose a dictatorship 20 years ago.
cultofmetatron 7mo ago
> I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here The nazis justified the holocaust as a "defense of their values" as well.
- null_deref 7mo ago
  Nazi values are not my values, nor is any sort of death
  - cultofmetatron 7mo ago
    I can't commment on your values because I don't know you but I can confidently say that zionist values are nazi values. Just listen to your own government leaders like Ben gvir or likund writings. literally word for word sounds like something Hitler and leaders of the nazi party would have said with [search replace arayan -> jew.] here's some quotes. please tell me, hitler or gvir "We have to speak honestly. That there are many, many ___ – I didn't say all the ___, but a lot of __ who are not loyal to the ____. Undoubtedly, their vote is endangering ____, … Any normal country would not let them vote. Unfortunately, we are allowing hundreds of thousands of people who are disloyal to ____ to vote in the elections... " "I am unequivocally against executing the ____ murderer of ____ and in favor of killing the ____ murderers of _____" "There are many ____ who are disloyal and those who are not loyal should not be here.""
    - null_deref 7mo ago
      Marine La Pen has almost won the elections in France? Is all French society rotten?
      - JasonADrury 7mo ago
        I rather dislike her, but on it's worst day a Marine Le Pen-led government in France wouldn't even come close to doing anything nearly as bad as Israel does every day.

JasonADrury 7mo ago

>Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion? I hope this particularly weak whataboutism helps you feel better about your indefensible moral position. > fight for the values of this country from here Apartheid being one of the core values worth fighting for, apparently.

null_deref 7mo ago
Haha you literally asking me to leave my roots and friends and family and I have a weak arguments? Your arguments detached from reality. I cut my salary to be involved politically, I believe in a future of peace. You can rest assured I engage in what’s right far more than you
- JasonADrury 7mo ago
  > I believe in a future of peace What does that look like to you? I'm sure Hamas would say the same, it's just about how that peace is reached and how it looks like in the end. The typical Israeli vision of peace isn't any better than the typical Palestinian vision of peace.
  - null_deref 7mo ago
    I’m not a politician nor all the information is available to me on what can be done and what not My moral compass says the following - 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements 2. Creating a situation were any Palestinian can live respectfully, feed their family and get education From there state decision should be far more easier.
    - cultofmetatron 7mo ago
      > 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements perfectly reasonable ask. 3 years ago, I would have been perfectly fine if they demonstrated interest in that. Instead we have people like Ben gvir openly spout ethnosupremacist vitriol that would make hitler blush. Now my instagram is full of that man touring prisons where he brags about executing people who clearly show signs of torture. (and this is what they are COMFORTABLE SHOWING) between that and his approval ratings (60% of israelis want to relocate Palestinians somewhere else Its clear that the whole society is rotten from the top down. frankly, I just want this madness to end.
    - JasonADrury 7mo ago
      > First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements Is that possible? Especially given the birth rate differences between the genuine religious nutjobs and normal people?
  - halflife 7mo ago
    Peace for Hamas is eradicating all the Jews. Peace for Israelis is coexistence. Look at egypt or Jordan for reference.
    - JasonADrury 7mo ago
      So why hasn't Israel just been granting all Palestinians citizenship? It's not really about coexistence, is it? Rather than existing together, it's at best about existing separately. >Peace for Hamas is eradicating all the Jews. Which is a perfectly natural position considering the historic relationship here.
      - halflife 7mo ago
        Why? First of all, we tried to give citizenship to Palestinians in East Jerusalem, they refuse. Second, are you suggesting to annex Gaza and th West Bank, and giving them citizenship? That means the come election, Hamas would be the biggest party in the Knesset, revoke all democratic rights, and create a sharia state. That will be the end of the only democracy in the Middle East.
        JasonADrury 7mo ago
        So Palestinians who effectively live under Israeli governance shouldn't be given a vote because their political opinions are wrong in your opinion?
        halflife 7mo ago
        What do you mean by effectively under Israeli governance? In Jerusalem they refuse citizenship. In the West Bank they are Palestinian citizens, in Gaza they are Gazan citizens, not my fault that both sides chose a dictatorship 20 years ago.

cultofmetatron 7mo ago

> I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here The nazis justified the holocaust as a "defense of their values" as well.

null_deref 7mo ago
Nazi values are not my values, nor is any sort of death
- cultofmetatron 7mo ago
  I can't commment on your values because I don't know you but I can confidently say that zionist values are nazi values. Just listen to your own government leaders like Ben gvir or likund writings. literally word for word sounds like something Hitler and leaders of the nazi party would have said with [search replace arayan -> jew.] here's some quotes. please tell me, hitler or gvir "We have to speak honestly. That there are many, many ___ – I didn't say all the ___, but a lot of __ who are not loyal to the ____. Undoubtedly, their vote is endangering ____, … Any normal country would not let them vote. Unfortunately, we are allowing hundreds of thousands of people who are disloyal to ____ to vote in the elections... " "I am unequivocally against executing the ____ murderer of ____ and in favor of killing the ____ murderers of _____" "There are many ____ who are disloyal and those who are not loyal should not be here.""
  - null_deref 7mo ago
    Marine La Pen has almost won the elections in France? Is all French society rotten?
    - JasonADrury 7mo ago
      I rather dislike her, but on it's worst day a Marine Le Pen-led government in France wouldn't even come close to doing anything nearly as bad as Israel does every day.