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Why does it matter? Is it justification to attack them?

nomilk 8mo ago
The 'tens of thousands' figure is one primary justification. Iran (eventually) getting a nuke is another.
bawolff 8mo ago
Its probably not the reason they are attacking (except in as much that it makes the iranian regime vulnerable). However i would say that yes, humanitarian intervention is one of the only non self-defense justifications for war that anyone has ever accepted in the post-ww2 era. (Edit: to clarify, im saying its the type of thing people build justifications for war around. Whether its a valid justification on this specific case is probably highly debatable. I think a reasonable argument could be made)
- rando1234 8mo ago
  So I suppose you'll be attacking Saudi Arabia after this if you're so worried about humanitarian conditions?
  - RiverStone 8mo ago
    You have to pick your battles and be pragmatic. Changing the Iranian regime would have a much broader impact than changing the Saudi Arabian one.
    - rando1234 8mo ago
      Bombs for peace.
- sekai 8mo ago
  > However i would say that yes, humanitarian intervention is one of the only non self-defense justifications for war that anyone has ever accepted in the post-ww2 era So when is the US intervening in Ukraine then? Russia is literally doing human safari with drones hunting down civilians in Kherson.
  - bawolff 8mo ago
    > So when is the US intervening in Ukraine then? Did you miss the absolute massive amounts of aid US has given ukraine? Regardless, there is a difference between how war is justified and why wars actually take place.
    - sekai 8mo ago
      > Did you miss the absolute massive amounts of aid US has given ukraine? I missed US bombing Moscow, like they are bombing Tehran at this moment.
- AlecSchueler 8mo ago
  But this will undoubtedly increase the general level of adversarial feelings and justifications of violence worldwide for many decades to come. The seeds of the next ISIS were planted today
- close04 8mo ago
  Can the US or Israel morally claim “humanitarian” intervention given what’s happening in parallel in Gaza? If Iran bombed Tel Aviv would you call it a humanitarian intervention? Is this a creative use of the term? When you make a “humanitarian” intervention to save some humans, while decimating others it sounds like you think the “others” are not/sub-humans.
  - bawolff 8mo ago
    Tu quoque

The 'tens of thousands' figure is one primary justification. Iran (eventually) getting a nuke is another.

Its probably not the reason they are attacking (except in as much that it makes the iranian regime vulnerable). However i would say that yes, humanitarian intervention is one of the only non self-defense justifications for war that anyone has ever accepted in the post-ww2 era. (Edit: to clarify, im saying its the type of thing people build justifications for war around. Whether its a valid justification on this specific case is probably highly debatable. I think a reasonable argument could be made)

rando1234 8mo ago
So I suppose you'll be attacking Saudi Arabia after this if you're so worried about humanitarian conditions?
- RiverStone 8mo ago
  You have to pick your battles and be pragmatic. Changing the Iranian regime would have a much broader impact than changing the Saudi Arabian one.
  - rando1234 8mo ago
    Bombs for peace.
sekai 8mo ago
> However i would say that yes, humanitarian intervention is one of the only non self-defense justifications for war that anyone has ever accepted in the post-ww2 era So when is the US intervening in Ukraine then? Russia is literally doing human safari with drones hunting down civilians in Kherson.
- bawolff 8mo ago
  > So when is the US intervening in Ukraine then? Did you miss the absolute massive amounts of aid US has given ukraine? Regardless, there is a difference between how war is justified and why wars actually take place.
  - sekai 8mo ago
    > Did you miss the absolute massive amounts of aid US has given ukraine? I missed US bombing Moscow, like they are bombing Tehran at this moment.
AlecSchueler 8mo ago
But this will undoubtedly increase the general level of adversarial feelings and justifications of violence worldwide for many decades to come. The seeds of the next ISIS were planted today
close04 8mo ago
Can the US or Israel morally claim “humanitarian” intervention given what’s happening in parallel in Gaza? If Iran bombed Tel Aviv would you call it a humanitarian intervention? Is this a creative use of the term? When you make a “humanitarian” intervention to save some humans, while decimating others it sounds like you think the “others” are not/sub-humans.
- bawolff 8mo ago
  Tu quoque