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I have to wonder how much of this is driven by Israel accounting for the risk of less favorable US relationship in the future. Pre-emptive violence; not even j

I have to wonder how much of this is driven by Israel accounting for the risk of less favorable US relationship in the future. Pre-emptive violence; not even justified with a narrative of escalating threat. Bleak for anybody who knows their history.

e40 8mo ago
And it happened on a Friday night. Best time of the week for the least news impact.
- baq 8mo ago
  In the great age of grift wars ideally last no more than the time between Friday market close and Sunday futures open.
weatherlite 8mo ago
It was Trump or his immediate environmetn who asked Israeli to attack Iran first (better optics); Israel would have never done this without American approval. Did Israel want this to happen though ? Yes. But so did the Americans. I guess the negotiations went badly.
- viking123 8mo ago
  "Negotiations"
seydor 8mo ago
The US has moved half of its navy in the region, and there are doubts about its support?
- replooda 8mo ago
  "Let's do it now, when they'd still move half their navy there for us, rather than in the future, when they might not."
  - seydor 8mo ago
    More like "The US has arrived as we asked, and the same will happen in the future every time"
    - replooda 8mo ago
      Even assuming that would always hold for the USA as such, America isn't necessarily a fixture in Semitic eschatology.
- dragonwriter 8mo ago
  “In the future” is not “now”. Neither the current administration nor Israel are particularly popular with the US public today, and those are correlated in that Israel has particularly lost support from Democrats and Independents in the US, suggesting that a change in power (legislative or executive, and especially both) in the US government could very easily spell much less favorable US policy toward Israel.
  - baq 8mo ago
    Normal people are starting to call themselves goyim and aren’t afraid to call themselves antisemites anymore. You can look at this from many angles (sitting here in Eastern Europe watching history repeat itself again in 4 years is a very discomforting feeling), but all of them are signs of Israel losing US citizenship support at an unprecedented velocity.
    - pydry 8mo ago
      >Normal people are starting to call themselves goyim and aren’t afraid to call themselves antisemites anymore. Normal people distinguish between Israel and Jews and call themselves antizionists. It's Zionists who blur the distinction. There are several countries throughout history where the citizens have been absolutely obsessed with their own race and considered the crusader state to be the sole representative of it. It never ended well.
      - swingboy 8mo ago
        Israel is the Jewish state.
      - gryzzly 8mo ago
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      - Revanche1367 8mo ago
        And they’ve blurred it so much and thrown around the accusation so frequently and with so little hesitancy that many people are starting to simply not care anymore.
- palisade 8mo ago
  That is only 6% of our Navy. Not half.
epsters 8mo ago
More specifically, seems to be driven by Netanyahu's political accounting. Starting a potential major war going into mid-terms is pretty inconvenient for Trump who could be looking at impeachment over Epstein. But Netanyahu is facing trial and October-7 investigation commissions more imminently and can't wait that long. Netanyahu trumps Trump, evidently.
- riffraff 8mo ago
  > is pretty inconvenient for Trump who could be looking at impeachment over Epstein I mean, it is a pretty convenient distraction from the epstein files tho, so win-win for Trump/Netanyahu
assaddayinh 8mo ago
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Simon_ORourke 8mo ago
I think just forego the hypocrisy and have the Israeli's move the White House over there and put one of their own in it instead of pulling the strings.
golemiprague 8mo ago
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bojan 8mo ago
Those who know their history also know that the current American administration is of a kind that usually ascends following the rules, but then never voluntarily leaves power. So I don't think Israel has anything to fear there.
- tome 8mo ago
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  - bhouston 8mo ago
    Trump makes a lot of claims of unfair elections, declaring a state of emergency and is talking about a third term. Hard to really know for real what will happen but it is suspicious. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/02/26/trump-elections-executive-order-activists/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/02/26/trump-ele... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-third-term-2028-tariffs-b2929276.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
  - bregma 8mo ago
    If history is anything to go by, expect a fire at the Capitol some time in October resulting in a national emergency being declared. You can take that to your bookie.
    - tome 8mo ago
      Talk is cheap. Are you prepared to put money, or anything valuable, where your mouth is?
  - throw_a_grenade 8mo ago
    Not OP, but that post clearly was alluding to Hitler coming to power democratically. That they don't need to worry was a very dark joke. Anyway, it's just history.
    - bojan 8mo ago
Schmerika 8mo ago
Literally this week, for the first time ever, a majority of Americans polled favored Palestine over Israel. To be clear, I'm not trying to suggest that's why we're bombing Iran today. Just pointing out a data point supporting your hypothesis.
akshshha 8mo ago
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e40 8mo ago

And it happened on a Friday night. Best time of the week for the least news impact.

baq 8mo ago
In the great age of grift wars ideally last no more than the time between Friday market close and Sunday futures open.

weatherlite 8mo ago

It was Trump or his immediate environmetn who asked Israeli to attack Iran first (better optics); Israel would have never done this without American approval. Did Israel want this to happen though ? Yes. But so did the Americans. I guess the negotiations went badly.

viking123 8mo ago
"Negotiations"

seydor 8mo ago

The US has moved half of its navy in the region, and there are doubts about its support?

replooda 8mo ago
"Let's do it now, when they'd still move half their navy there for us, rather than in the future, when they might not."
- seydor 8mo ago
  More like "The US has arrived as we asked, and the same will happen in the future every time"
  - replooda 8mo ago
    Even assuming that would always hold for the USA as such, America isn't necessarily a fixture in Semitic eschatology.
dragonwriter 8mo ago
“In the future” is not “now”. Neither the current administration nor Israel are particularly popular with the US public today, and those are correlated in that Israel has particularly lost support from Democrats and Independents in the US, suggesting that a change in power (legislative or executive, and especially both) in the US government could very easily spell much less favorable US policy toward Israel.
- baq 8mo ago
  Normal people are starting to call themselves goyim and aren’t afraid to call themselves antisemites anymore. You can look at this from many angles (sitting here in Eastern Europe watching history repeat itself again in 4 years is a very discomforting feeling), but all of them are signs of Israel losing US citizenship support at an unprecedented velocity.
  - pydry 8mo ago
    >Normal people are starting to call themselves goyim and aren’t afraid to call themselves antisemites anymore. Normal people distinguish between Israel and Jews and call themselves antizionists. It's Zionists who blur the distinction. There are several countries throughout history where the citizens have been absolutely obsessed with their own race and considered the crusader state to be the sole representative of it. It never ended well.
    - swingboy 8mo ago
      Israel is the Jewish state.
    - gryzzly 8mo ago
      [flagged]
    - Revanche1367 8mo ago
      And they’ve blurred it so much and thrown around the accusation so frequently and with so little hesitancy that many people are starting to simply not care anymore.
palisade 8mo ago
That is only 6% of our Navy. Not half.

epsters 8mo ago

More specifically, seems to be driven by Netanyahu's political accounting. Starting a potential major war going into mid-terms is pretty inconvenient for Trump who could be looking at impeachment over Epstein. But Netanyahu is facing trial and October-7 investigation commissions more imminently and can't wait that long. Netanyahu trumps Trump, evidently.

riffraff 8mo ago
> is pretty inconvenient for Trump who could be looking at impeachment over Epstein I mean, it is a pretty convenient distraction from the epstein files tho, so win-win for Trump/Netanyahu

assaddayinh 8mo ago

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Simon_ORourke 8mo ago

I think just forego the hypocrisy and have the Israeli's move the White House over there and put one of their own in it instead of pulling the strings.

golemiprague 8mo ago

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bojan 8mo ago

Those who know their history also know that the current American administration is of a kind that usually ascends following the rules, but then never voluntarily leaves power. So I don't think Israel has anything to fear there.

tome 8mo ago
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- bhouston 8mo ago
  Trump makes a lot of claims of unfair elections, declaring a state of emergency and is talking about a third term. Hard to really know for real what will happen but it is suspicious. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/02/26/trump-elections-executive-order-activists/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/02/26/trump-ele... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-third-term-2028-tariffs-b2929276.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
- bregma 8mo ago
  If history is anything to go by, expect a fire at the Capitol some time in October resulting in a national emergency being declared. You can take that to your bookie.
  - tome 8mo ago
    Talk is cheap. Are you prepared to put money, or anything valuable, where your mouth is?
- throw_a_grenade 8mo ago
  Not OP, but that post clearly was alluding to Hitler coming to power democratically. That they don't need to worry was a very dark joke. Anyway, it's just history.
  - bojan 8mo ago

Schmerika 8mo ago

Literally this week, for the first time ever, a majority of Americans polled favored Palestine over Israel. To be clear, I'm not trying to suggest that's why we're bombing Iran today. Just pointing out a data point supporting your hypothesis.

akshshha 8mo ago

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