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shameful for the west, and a tragedy. leave iran alone. defending the mullahs wasn't exactly on my bingo card, but here we are... please, can somebody in the U
by kome 8mo ago
shameful for the west, and a tragedy. leave iran alone. defending the mullahs wasn't exactly on my bingo card, but here we are...
please, can somebody in the US or Israel have an "are we the baddies" epiphany?
- dismalaf 8mo agohttps://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/iran-protests-death-toll-disappeared-bodies-mass-burials-30000-dead https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/i... > defending the mullahs wasn't exactly on my bingo card, but here we are... Propaganda is a hell of a drug.
- m90 8mo agoSo how do the recurring airstrikes help the protesters?
- mschuster91 8mo agoEasy: decapitate the leadership of the military, IRGC, Basij and let the revolution stand a chance.
- JasonADrury 8mo agoExcept not, the Iranian revolutionary system is very much designed around the desire to be able to rapidly replace people. The list of targets for a decapitation strike might just be way too long to be feasible.
- mschuster91 8mo agoKill enough that the rest decides to flee for Moscow rather than risk getting lynched.
- JasonADrury 8mo agoMuch easier said than done. But hey, perhaps this will be the biggest and greatest air campaign ever.
- dismalaf 8mo agoIt's the biggest military buildup since 2003. Kinda looks like they plan on overthrowing the regime. Which would be amazing for world peace considering Iran is building drones for Russia and supporting Hezbollah and Hamas. But we'll see...
- JasonADrury 8mo ago> considering Iran is building drones for Russia Not a meaningful supplier anymore, Russia just took the designs and onshored the manufacturing.
- bigyabai 8mo agoRussia is building Shahed derivatives themselves, Iran is not a significant supplier of anything besides the design.
- tastyface 8mo agoBecause historically, we have a fantastic record when it comes to regime change.
- dismalaf 8mo agoJapan and Germany turned out great.
- dragonwriter 8mo ago> It's the biggest military buildup since 2003. Kinda looks like they plan on overthrowing the regime. Which would be amazing for world peace Almost as amazing for world peace as when the US overthrew Saddam Hussein's regime and gave birth to the Islamic State.
- tim333 8mo agoGet the guys who got them - they seem cheerful https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2027840034150178952 https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2027840034150178952
- epsters 8mo ago> 30,000 in 2 days - half the 2-year death toll of Gaza ; With no artillery , air-strikes or heavy weapons, without million-man armies facing off in pitched battles, without health system collapsing with 100s of thousands of injuries in 48 hours, photos or satellite imagery of mass graves and bodies littering the streets Propaganda is a hell of a drug.
- dismalaf 8mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Hutus_in_the_First_Congo_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Hutus_in_the_Firs... Lots of genocides have been carried out with primitive weapons, even recently. Remember, the protesters in Iran were mostly unarmed...
- epsters 8mo agoA lot of them were armed as well based on the death toll for security forces. Again where is the evidence for all this. The Iranian government published the names and details for the 3000-odd death-toll they claimed. The 30,000 number is from diaspora, citing 'anonymous health and government officials' - Who all seem to be linked to Pahlavi, Israel and US-backed sources all trying to manufacture a case for the war they are now waging. If the real number is > 10x then giving names should be very easy for CIA and Mossad. All this is just a excuse, when this whole war is about Israel's national security interest and hegemonic ambitions. The "negotiations" were entirely over the Nuclear program, ballistic program and proxy forces - The protestors, human rights, democracy none of it were even mentioned. Netanyahu didn't visit the White House 6 times over the last year to advocate for the protestors.
- kranke155 8mo agoAnd you think the US, now currently sliding into authoritarianism itself, will install an enlightened democracy upon the Iranians? This is WW3 in slow motion. The goal is to takeover Eurasia and contain the Russian-Chinese alliance by eating away at the edges and removing all unaligned or hostile energy sources.
- tdeck 8mo agoRemember how much toppling Sadam Hussein, killing a million Iraqis, rounding up and torturing thousands of random Iraqi civilians, destroying most of the country's vital infrastructure, and selling their oilfields to American companies at bargain prices helped Iraqis? It's going to be the same for Iran. There's going to be massive suffering.
- kranke155 8mo agoBut at the end of 1 milion deaths (est.) Iraqi oil was dollarized. Saddam had been selling dollars for euros and talking about shifting his oil to other currencies for years. 2003 put an end to that - it was literally the first thing that was done by the provisional Govt. was to make sure all Iraqi oil was sold in dollars. The Petrodollar was not in jeopardy anymore, and for the post-1971 system, that was essential. Same thing is now happening with Iran and Venezuela. The real goal is - China must not be allowed to have substantial sources of energy that are not priced in dollars.
- znpy 8mo agoAny kind of decent democracy would be better than the iranian regime.
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- faust201 8mo agoAsk your colleague if his family is still there... May be not. or ask another colleague whose family is still there. Would be different answer.
- znpy 8mo agoValid point but then again: 1. Not everybody lives in the direct nearing of the bombing/conflict hotspot 2. They weren’t doing that great before anyway (because, you know, the islamic totalitarian theocratic dictatorship) 3. They haven’t been doing great at all lately (because, you know, protests and turmoil and the violent repression from the aforementioned islamic totalitarian theocratic dictatorship)
- faust201 8mo agoWas this the answer from your other colleague?
- lancashire 8mo agoI can vouch for people still there. I’m a Brit who married an Iranian who still has a large family in Iran. With the exception of one religious aunt who is married to a military man, all the Iranian family and friends we know have been hoping for intervention. We've had emotional messages from my wife’s cousin (a new mum) describing looking out of her apartment every night for the past month praying for planes overhead. Take that anecdata for what it’s worth.
- znpy 8mo agoThank you for chiming in with your almost-first-hand experience. It’s crazy that some people nowadays vouch for dictatorships. Venezuela first, Iran now… absolutely crazy.
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- ReptileMan 8mo agoKilling people that blind women for refusing to wear headscarf is always a good deed. It may be infeasible to do it, or bad idea because of geopolitical or similar reasons, but no - in Iran's regime case - we are not the baddies.
- tgv 8mo agoThere's no way you can defend the Iranian leadership. Toppling them is not shameful, just like ousting Saddam Hussein was IMO reasonable. The problem is what happens afterwards.