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This isn’t parallel at all, and I didn’t realize that Anthropic was the member of any particular party.

by skue 7mo ago

somethoughts 7mo ago
Sorry I was a bit unclear - this was referencing the Administration not Anthropic. The United States Department of Justice under the Trump administration, supported Phillips.[20][5] While the Department asserts that anti-discrimination laws are necessary to prevent businesses that provide goods and services from discriminating, these laws cannot be used to compel a business into expressing speech they do not agree with, nor used to provide goods and services with such expressions without the ability for the business to assert they do not agree with those expressions. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission#Petition_for_writ_of_certiorari https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colora...
- rdtsc 7mo ago
  > these laws cannot be used to compel a business into expressing speech they do not agree with I don’t think they are preventing them. You can still buy some Anthropic. Heck, maybe you’re now doubly motivated to buy some out of spite. What Uncle Sam is saying is he doesn’t want anything to do with it. But Anthropic can produce whatever and others can buy it. In their view just like businesses cannot be compelled so are the customers, they can’t be compelled to buy.
  - bloppe 7mo ago
    > You can still buy some Anthropic. If they're designated a "supply chain risk", then any company that does any business with the military cannot be a customer. That includes basically all the largest companies, many of which have already adopted Claude. So the Pentagon is threatening Anthropic with terminating most of their private enterprise revenue and basically ruining their business model. That's a little different than just denying someone government contracts.
    - rdtsc 7mo ago
      > If they're designated a "supply chain risk", then any company that does any business with the military cannot be a customer. That's not how it works, they'll just have to show how they mitigated the "risk". That doesn't mean not doing business with Anthropic that may mean not using Anthropic for any deliverables or any projects involving the specific contracts.
      - bloppe 7mo ago
        > they'll just have to show how they mitigated the "risk" If Hegseth is the one who decides whether the risk has been mitigated (he is), you think he's gonna be overcome by a sudden spirit of good faith and make impartial judgements? Or just do the thing that maximizes his leverage, gratifies his ego, and pleases his boss.
        rdtsc 7mo ago
        > Or just do the thing that maximizes his leverage, gratifies his ego, and pleases his boss. It doesn't really work that way. Both parties want something from each other. If he is not "overcome by a sudden good faith" judgement all of the sudden no more Windows updates and it's RHEL Linux for everyone. Or if IBM says no, then what? Write your own OS? The system doesn't really work as a charity, it's corrupt but parties want something from each other. If he knows they need something and there is no other way to get the spirit of "good faith" will descend like lightning upon him. In this case he knew there is Google and OpenAI in play, and just like magic OpenAI made a deal pretty quickly.
        bloppe 7mo ago
        It's normal to simply go to a competitor when one supplier isn't giving you what you want. It's not normal to try to ruin their business relationships with everyone else in retribution.
    - dragonwriter 7mo ago
      > If they're designated a "supply chain risk", then any company that does any business with the military cannot be a customer. Wrong. Companies with military contracts cannot rely on Anthropic-supplied products and services for those contracts. (Yes, the cabinet member who misrepresents his own title and name of his department also publicly misrepresented the legal consequences of the designation. It's almost like ignoring the law and just making things up is a pattern with him and his boss.)

This isn’t parallel at all, and I didn’t realize that Anthropic was the member of any particular party.

by skue 7mo ago

This isn’t parallel at all, and I didn’t realize that Anthropic was the member of any particular party.

Sorry I was a bit unclear - this was referencing the Administration not Anthropic. The United States Department of Justice under the Trump administration, supported Phillips.[20][5] While the Department asserts that anti-discrimination laws are necessary to prevent businesses that provide goods and services from discriminating, these laws cannot be used to compel a business into expressing speech they do not agree with, nor used to provide goods and services with such expressions without the ability for the business to assert they do not agree with those expressions. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission#Petition_for_writ_of_certiorari https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colora...

rdtsc 7mo ago
> these laws cannot be used to compel a business into expressing speech they do not agree with I don’t think they are preventing them. You can still buy some Anthropic. Heck, maybe you’re now doubly motivated to buy some out of spite. What Uncle Sam is saying is he doesn’t want anything to do with it. But Anthropic can produce whatever and others can buy it. In their view just like businesses cannot be compelled so are the customers, they can’t be compelled to buy.
- bloppe 7mo ago
  > You can still buy some Anthropic. If they're designated a "supply chain risk", then any company that does any business with the military cannot be a customer. That includes basically all the largest companies, many of which have already adopted Claude. So the Pentagon is threatening Anthropic with terminating most of their private enterprise revenue and basically ruining their business model. That's a little different than just denying someone government contracts.
  - rdtsc 7mo ago
    > If they're designated a "supply chain risk", then any company that does any business with the military cannot be a customer. That's not how it works, they'll just have to show how they mitigated the "risk". That doesn't mean not doing business with Anthropic that may mean not using Anthropic for any deliverables or any projects involving the specific contracts.
    - bloppe 7mo ago
      > they'll just have to show how they mitigated the "risk" If Hegseth is the one who decides whether the risk has been mitigated (he is), you think he's gonna be overcome by a sudden spirit of good faith and make impartial judgements? Or just do the thing that maximizes his leverage, gratifies his ego, and pleases his boss.
      - rdtsc 7mo ago
        > Or just do the thing that maximizes his leverage, gratifies his ego, and pleases his boss. It doesn't really work that way. Both parties want something from each other. If he is not "overcome by a sudden good faith" judgement all of the sudden no more Windows updates and it's RHEL Linux for everyone. Or if IBM says no, then what? Write your own OS? The system doesn't really work as a charity, it's corrupt but parties want something from each other. If he knows they need something and there is no other way to get the spirit of "good faith" will descend like lightning upon him. In this case he knew there is Google and OpenAI in play, and just like magic OpenAI made a deal pretty quickly.
        bloppe 7mo ago
        It's normal to simply go to a competitor when one supplier isn't giving you what you want. It's not normal to try to ruin their business relationships with everyone else in retribution.
  - dragonwriter 7mo ago
    > If they're designated a "supply chain risk", then any company that does any business with the military cannot be a customer. Wrong. Companies with military contracts cannot rely on Anthropic-supplied products and services for those contracts. (Yes, the cabinet member who misrepresents his own title and name of his department also publicly misrepresented the legal consequences of the designation. It's almost like ignoring the law and just making things up is a pattern with him and his boss.)