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If they're truly principled, and these are true red lines, given no other recourse, I would be impressed if Anthropic decided to shut down the company. Won't ha

by moogly 7mo ago

If they're truly principled, and these are true red lines, given no other recourse, I would be impressed if Anthropic decided to shut down the company. Won't happen, but I would be smashing that F key if they did. The other two definitely never would in a million years.

plumthreads 7mo ago
Anthropic have a pretty progressive corporate governance structure, so there is a good argument that they will stay true to their principles. However, this will likely be the biggest test for how strong that governance structure is up to now.
- goku12 7mo ago
  There is one tiny problem in your assessment. That statement was written by the employees of Google and OpenAI, in solidarity with their counterparts at Anthropic. It doesn't really matter what Anthropic does. We're doomed! (cue the dramatic music!)
anigbrowl 7mo ago
If I had decision input at Anthropic I'd be giving serious consideration to reincorporating in the EU or Japan, and also doubling or tripling my personal legal and security budget.
- paganel 7mo ago
  They’ll go after their bank accounts and their financing, in effect killing them outright, no matter from where they’d be headquartered (other than China or Russia, that is). Also, EU and Japan would not risk their nuclear umbrella protection in order to defend the interest of an US company that is fighting the US Government, not in a million years.
  - lloeki 7mo ago
    Is that so? https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/macron-outline-france-nuclear-deterrence-151739552.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/macron-outline-france-nu... https://www.defense.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/ministere-armees/BACKGROUND%20DOSSIER_NUCLEAR%20DETERRENCE.pdf https://www.defense.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/ministere-ar...
    - paganel 7mo ago
      France doesn't even have a nuclear triad in place, and last time they offered any big assurances at the international level Munich '38 happened and then June '40. Macron and the people running the French State are well aware of this, no matter their public statements.
      - lloeki 7mo ago
        I fail to see how the inane failures brought by a dysfunctional IVth Republic are in any way relevant to the post-WW2 world order where both nuclear weapons and the EU began to exist, and in which France has been extremely relevant multiple times over, both geopolitically and on operational theatres. The importance of the land component of the triad is vastly overstated, simply do not make sense at the landmass size of France, and only matters when your doctrine is USA vs USSR cold-war era complete retaliatory annihilation anyway.
  - medi8r 7mo ago
    Well look at it this way. Europe wants to ramp up on defense given Putin and Trump's moves, so having a big AI company they can keep close probably fits into that. Unless you are saying Europe is basically submissive to the US due to the nuclear situation.

by moogly 7mo ago

plumthreads 7mo ago

Anthropic have a pretty progressive corporate governance structure, so there is a good argument that they will stay true to their principles. However, this will likely be the biggest test for how strong that governance structure is up to now.

goku12 7mo ago
There is one tiny problem in your assessment. That statement was written by the employees of Google and OpenAI, in solidarity with their counterparts at Anthropic. It doesn't really matter what Anthropic does. We're doomed! (cue the dramatic music!)

anigbrowl 7mo ago

If I had decision input at Anthropic I'd be giving serious consideration to reincorporating in the EU or Japan, and also doubling or tripling my personal legal and security budget.

paganel 7mo ago
They’ll go after their bank accounts and their financing, in effect killing them outright, no matter from where they’d be headquartered (other than China or Russia, that is). Also, EU and Japan would not risk their nuclear umbrella protection in order to defend the interest of an US company that is fighting the US Government, not in a million years.
- lloeki 7mo ago
  Is that so? https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/macron-outline-france-nuclear-deterrence-151739552.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/macron-outline-france-nu... https://www.defense.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/ministere-armees/BACKGROUND%20DOSSIER_NUCLEAR%20DETERRENCE.pdf https://www.defense.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/ministere-ar...
  - paganel 7mo ago
    France doesn't even have a nuclear triad in place, and last time they offered any big assurances at the international level Munich '38 happened and then June '40. Macron and the people running the French State are well aware of this, no matter their public statements.
    - lloeki 7mo ago
      I fail to see how the inane failures brought by a dysfunctional IVth Republic are in any way relevant to the post-WW2 world order where both nuclear weapons and the EU began to exist, and in which France has been extremely relevant multiple times over, both geopolitically and on operational theatres. The importance of the land component of the triad is vastly overstated, simply do not make sense at the landmass size of France, and only matters when your doctrine is USA vs USSR cold-war era complete retaliatory annihilation anyway.
- medi8r 7mo ago
  Well look at it this way. Europe wants to ramp up on defense given Putin and Trump's moves, so having a big AI company they can keep close probably fits into that. Unless you are saying Europe is basically submissive to the US due to the nuclear situation.