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Actually why is nobody in Cali just trying to join Canada - would be better for everyone in terms of more similar culture and values. Weird that it isn't discus

Actually why is nobody in Cali just trying to join Canada - would be better for everyone in terms of more similar culture and values. Weird that it isn't discussed more

pesus 7mo ago
If I had to guess as a lifelong California resident, I'd say the salary discrepancy is probably the biggest factor. I'd also guess the weather and lack of available jobs would be the next biggest factors, not necessarily in that order.
- steve_adams_86 7mo ago
  No, imagine the salary potential, not the discrepancy. Ape stronger together. We'd be a new world super power
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- mock-possum 7mo ago
  Yep, tech peeps loving in Cana want to work in Cali, not so much the other way around, in my experience, not so much the other way around.
post-it 7mo ago
Canada isn't interested in being part of a country that's 50% American either.
crossroadsguy 7mo ago
A friend (he is from mostly warm and sunlit South India) who moved to Canada from California says he just can’t take that weather anymore. So maybe weather is a huge factor? You deal with that not everyday in your life but every hour..second and year round.
- 8note 7mo ago
  victoria itself is a sunnier, drier seattle. from LA or san diego is real different, but as you go north it all gets abuut the same. if they went to toronto or montreal or something, that would be wildly different
egonschiele 7mo ago
Someone has to stay to fight the shit happening in the US! The problem won't just go away if people move.
steve_adams_86 7mo ago
Those of us in the Cascadian movement have been talking about it for decades!
jjmarr 7mo ago
50% paycut for similar cost of living. Do you want to put 3 kids into a 2-bedroom apartment on your US$120k salary, with $10k of RSUs the government takes 53% of? In addition to a 13% sales tax?
- oenton 7mo ago
  How much of your U.S. paycheck goes towards healthcare premiums? How about much is daycare in the U.S. for 3 children? Conservative estimates put that at $4-$5,000 per month, and that's after tax. Is there a reason your comment omits these key differences when comparing a SWE's quality of life living in the United States vs. Canada?
  - jjmarr 7mo ago
    I don't get free daycare in Canada either. I'm not American, but I pay a few hundred dollars a year for the premium health insurance plan at my company. I also pay tens of thousands of dollars more in taxes to grant me the ability to wait for 72 hours in an ER hallway whenever I can't wait weeks for an appointment because urgent care isn't a thing. My take home would triple if I lived in the USA as a new graduate because of things like favourable treatment of stock grants, less income tax, and the fact my salary would double. I'm sure the $80,000 extra dollars is enough to pay for the healthcare premiums and daycare. My effective hourly rate would be high enough that going from a 72 hour wait to a few hours would be worth the thousands of dollars in ER bills. If I worked for the government or another lower paying profession it would not be good, but I am a well-compensated software engineer. There's a reason why 90% of Waterloo immediately moves to the United States after graduation.
    - oenton 7mo ago
      My apologies. I thought $10/day daycare was universal in Canada. I guess my broader point was the difference in disposable income between U.S. workers vs. other countries becomes a lot more nuanced when things like healthcare, childcare, retirement, and taxes are taken into account. > I'm sure the $80,000 extra dollars is enough to pay for the healthcare premiums and daycare. You're probably right. That said, SWE compensation in the U.S. has been quite an anomaly compared to the vast majority of American labor, especially in the last 5-10 years. I don't think those who are comfortable right now are thinking far enough ahead about what they'll do if that changes, or perhaps when that changes. If this AI hype has taught me anything it's that those with capital cannot wait to start trimming their pesky engineers with those high salaries. And maybe that's always been the case, but seeing them go full mask off hits different. Unrelated, I like your website. It's simple and the color scheme is aesthetically pleasing.

Actually why is nobody in Cali just trying to join Canada - would be better for everyone in terms of more similar culture and values. Weird that it isn't discussed more

pesus 7mo ago

If I had to guess as a lifelong California resident, I'd say the salary discrepancy is probably the biggest factor. I'd also guess the weather and lack of available jobs would be the next biggest factors, not necessarily in that order.

steve_adams_86 7mo ago
No, imagine the salary potential, not the discrepancy. Ape stronger together. We'd be a new world super power
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mock-possum 7mo ago
Yep, tech peeps loving in Cana want to work in Cali, not so much the other way around, in my experience, not so much the other way around.

post-it 7mo ago

Canada isn't interested in being part of a country that's 50% American either.

crossroadsguy 7mo ago

A friend (he is from mostly warm and sunlit South India) who moved to Canada from California says he just can’t take that weather anymore. So maybe weather is a huge factor? You deal with that not everyday in your life but every hour..second and year round.

8note 7mo ago
victoria itself is a sunnier, drier seattle. from LA or san diego is real different, but as you go north it all gets abuut the same. if they went to toronto or montreal or something, that would be wildly different

egonschiele 7mo ago

Someone has to stay to fight the shit happening in the US! The problem won't just go away if people move.

steve_adams_86 7mo ago

Those of us in the Cascadian movement have been talking about it for decades!

jjmarr 7mo ago

50% paycut for similar cost of living. Do you want to put 3 kids into a 2-bedroom apartment on your US$120k salary, with $10k of RSUs the government takes 53% of? In addition to a 13% sales tax?

oenton 7mo ago
How much of your U.S. paycheck goes towards healthcare premiums? How about much is daycare in the U.S. for 3 children? Conservative estimates put that at $4-$5,000 per month, and that's after tax. Is there a reason your comment omits these key differences when comparing a SWE's quality of life living in the United States vs. Canada?
- jjmarr 7mo ago
  I don't get free daycare in Canada either. I'm not American, but I pay a few hundred dollars a year for the premium health insurance plan at my company. I also pay tens of thousands of dollars more in taxes to grant me the ability to wait for 72 hours in an ER hallway whenever I can't wait weeks for an appointment because urgent care isn't a thing. My take home would triple if I lived in the USA as a new graduate because of things like favourable treatment of stock grants, less income tax, and the fact my salary would double. I'm sure the $80,000 extra dollars is enough to pay for the healthcare premiums and daycare. My effective hourly rate would be high enough that going from a 72 hour wait to a few hours would be worth the thousands of dollars in ER bills. If I worked for the government or another lower paying profession it would not be good, but I am a well-compensated software engineer. There's a reason why 90% of Waterloo immediately moves to the United States after graduation.
  - oenton 7mo ago
    My apologies. I thought $10/day daycare was universal in Canada. I guess my broader point was the difference in disposable income between U.S. workers vs. other countries becomes a lot more nuanced when things like healthcare, childcare, retirement, and taxes are taken into account. > I'm sure the $80,000 extra dollars is enough to pay for the healthcare premiums and daycare. You're probably right. That said, SWE compensation in the U.S. has been quite an anomaly compared to the vast majority of American labor, especially in the last 5-10 years. I don't think those who are comfortable right now are thinking far enough ahead about what they'll do if that changes, or perhaps when that changes. If this AI hype has taught me anything it's that those with capital cannot wait to start trimming their pesky engineers with those high salaries. And maybe that's always been the case, but seeing them go full mask off hits different. Unrelated, I like your website. It's simple and the color scheme is aesthetically pleasing.