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This conflict has zero to do with AI in the grand scheme of things. We had a whole supreme court case about refusing service to customers. Remember that? Privat
by TehCorwiz 8mo ago
This conflict has zero to do with AI in the grand scheme of things. We had a whole supreme court case about refusing service to customers. Remember that? Private companies can choose which customers to service. And let's be clear about what's being sold. It's not a product that changes hands, it's a service provided continually. And as anyone except the enlisted military troops can, said vendor can choose which efforts to help with. If what the government wants is so onerous as to find no vendors to offer it then that says something doesn't it?
- GenerWork 8mo agoWhich case is that?
- bmelton 8mo agoMasterpiece Cakeshop v Colorado https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/16-111 https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/16-111
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- engineer_22 8mo agoPlenty of precedent for seizing private property for national defence. The list is long and growing.
- TehCorwiz 8mo agoCitation please.
- engineer_22 8mo agoSelective Service System is evidence enough of the government's power to oblige participation in defence.... But if you're interested... https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4534&context=clr https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?arti...
- TehCorwiz 8mo agoSelective service activation, I.E. a draft. Requires an act of Congress. When did they enact a bill to draft Anthropic?
- engineer_22 8mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950 Great article, it has a list of times it's been used to compel cooperation.
- TehCorwiz 8mo agoOk. So what's the emergency prompting them to take control of Anthropic? Further, why would they also accuse them of being a national security threat in the same breath? Seems like if they're a threat they're also not someone you want working on national security. Especially under duress. That feels like a bad combination.
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- engineer_22 8mo agoSorry buddy, I let this cool off because it wasn't going in a productive direction. I have learned that other people are a mirror, if I cannot understand them, it's because there is something hidden inside me that I need to look for. With respect to the original topic: In my opinion, the Secretary of War and Anthropic are playing a power game. Whether we agree with their tactics or not, doesn't matter. Trying to understand why and how it's played, and the outcome, could be useful for predicting future power games.
- toraway 8mo agoThat link is specifically discussing actions the government takes in war. Like, a real, ongoing, war where it's accepted extraordinary actions may be necessary that conflict with peacetime rights to private property (it was written during World War 2).